The Couch to 5K Podcast

Podcast host, radio presenter and stand-up comedian John Robins opens up to Giovanna Fletcher about his journey from addiction to becoming a runner. It's a frank and honest conversation where addiction recovery and mental health issues meet running. John tells Giovanna he never thought he would be a runner but he now finds himself preparing for a marathon.
He talks about the process of becoming sober, what he learnt along the way and how running and exercise have become part of the way he deals with his brain. He admits to not enjoying running. But also not enjoying not running! And John talks to Giovanna about how the skills he's learnt from his training are being adapted to life in general.
John says the impact not drinking has had on his fitness is 'nuts'! He says within weeks of giving up alcohol his body began to change and reveals to Giovanna the distraction techniques he used to stop returning to a wine store. He talks through the few injuries he's sustained from pushing himself too hard and has returned to Couch to 5k with a running group called Wellness Warriors.
"Accepting what I can't change, changing what I can and knowing the difference." Thanks John for such an honest chat.
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Presenter: Giovanna Fletcher
Producer: Mark Shardlow
Exec Producer: Katherine Hogan
For more information on the NHS Couch to 5K programme follow the link below and download the free app.
https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/get-active/get-running-with-couch-to-5k/?WT.mc_ID=Couch_Podcast_BetterHealth&wt.tsrc=display
What is Couch to 5K? It’s a simple, free running plan for absolute beginners
How do you do Couch to 5K? Download an app(details below) and away you go!
Can you do Couch to 5K on a treadmill? Yes, on a treadmill or outside.
How does Couch to 5K work? You will have a trainer in the app starting you off with a mix of running and walking.
How long does Couch to 5K take? You’ll be going out 3 times a week for 9 weeks at a pace that feels right for you. You’ll run a little further each week. You can repeat weeks and take longer if you want to.
You'll find the NHS Couch to 5K app in all the usual places you get your apps from.

Giovanna Fletcher introduces Jodie Ounsley as her latest Couch to 5k guest. Jodie has a remarkable back-story. She was profoundly deaf as a baby and became the youngest person in the country to have a cochlear implant. She takes us on her journey to being a sport loving youngster and taking up rugby despite the risks of a contact sport.
Jodie became a professional rugby player but her life took another twist when she successfully applied to be a Gladiator on the BBC TV series. She's now best known as Fury from that programme.
She's gone on to appear on Masterchef and Strictly Come Dancing and worked as part of the presentation team for Channel 4 at the Paris Paralympics. She's very honest about her struggles to run 5k. She also talks about how deaf people can now use the NHS Couch to 5k app.
The NHS Couch to 5K app is audio-based, which can create barriers for people who are deaf, have hearing loss or experience tinnitus. To help address this, the Department of Health and Social care have worked with the charity RNID to help better understand these challenges and identify ways to remove some of the these barriers and improve accessibility.
Insights from RNID, combined with technical guidance, have changed the app with things like dynamic transcriptions and haptics(vibrations).
Presenter: Giovanna Fletcher
Producer: Mark Shardlow
Exec Producer: Katherine Hogan
For more information on the NHS Couch to 5K programme follow the link below and download the free app.
https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/get-active/get-running-with-couch-to-5k/?WT.mc_ID=Couch_Podcast_BetterHealth&wt.tsrc=display
What is Couch to 5K? It’s a simple, free running plan for absolute beginners
How do you do Couch to 5K? Download an app(details below) and away you go!
Can you do Couch to 5K on a treadmill? Yes, on a treadmill or outside.
How does Couch to 5K work? You will have a trainer in the app starting you off with a mix of running and walking.
How long does Couch to 5K take? You’ll be going out 3 times a week for 9 weeks at a pace that feels right for you. You’ll run a little further each week. You can repeat weeks and take longer if you want to.
You'll find the NHS Couch to 5K app in all the usual places you get your apps from.

McFly’s drummer Harry Judd talks about his switch from a pop star lifestyle to running marathons…quickly. Whilst his wife Izzy, an author and presenter, reveals her exercise journey was surrounded by fertility issues and mindfulness.
The pair are great friends with presenter Giovanna Fletcher, who’s husband Tom is also part of McFly. And they’ve known each other for twenty years….in fact back to a time when Harry didn’t exercise and just ate pizzas and sweets whilst on tour.
Strictly Come Dancing winner Harry reveals it was during a McFly recording session in Australia when he decided to run a marathon for a cancer charity. He wasn’t exercising at the time and was drinking and smoking. But this didn’t stop him. He did it again 4 years later, as he moved to a healthier lifestyle. And is now committed to(obsessed with) trying to run a marathon in under 3 hours.
Izzy, who presents the Music & Meditation Podcast on BBC Sounds, is less competitive and is happy with finding a place for running which fits in to her lifestyle, rather than stress about getting out.
The pair talk about the juggles of family life, with 3 children to look after, as well as their own careers – at the time of recording Harry is presenting a Breakfast Radio Show.
Presenter: Giovanna Fletcher
Producer: Mark Shardlow
Exec Producer: Katherine Hogan
For more information on
the NHS Couch to 5K programme follow the link below and download the free app. https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/get-active/get-running-with-couch-to-5k/?WT.mc_ID=Couch_Podcast_BetterHealth&wt.tsrc=display
What is Couch to 5K? It’s a simple, free running plan for absolute beginners
How do you do Couch to 5K? Download an app(details below) and away you go!
Can you do Couch to 5K on a treadmill? Yes, on a treadmill or outside.
How does Couch to 5K work? You will have a trainer in the app starting you off with a mix of running and walking.
How long does Couch to 5K take? You’ll be going out 3 times a week for 9 weeks at a pace that feels right for you. You’ll run a little further each week. You can repeat weeks and take longer if you want to.
You'll find the NHS Couch to 5K app in all the usual places you get your apps from.

Javeno McLean brings his enthusiasm and inclusiveness to this episode. Javeno is a Pride of Britain award winner for helping to transform the lives of sick, elderly and disabled people through exercise. He's become known for his viral videos, where he shares his messages of showing gratitude and inclusivity.
He tells Giovanna he's driven to try to make people passionate about exercise in order to stay motivated and he believes going out for a run can often be a battle with the mind.
Javeno reacts to a powerful story from our couch buddy today. Katie Stevenson, who has incurable cancer and epilepsy. Katie logs her running journey on instagram @iamkatiestevenson
Presenter: Giovanna Fletcher
Producer: Alex Webb
Exec Producer: Katherine Hogan
For more information on the NHS Couch to 5K programme follow the link below and download the free app. https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/get-active/get-running-with-couch-to-5k/?WT.mc_ID=Couch_Podcast_BetterHealth&wt.tsrc=display
What is Couch to 5K? It’s a simple, free running plan for absolute beginners
How do you do Couch to 5K? Download an app(details below) and away you go!
Can you do Couch to 5K on a treadmill? Yes, on a treadmill or outside.
How does Couch to 5K work? You will have a trainer in the app starting you off with a mix of running and walking.
How long does Couch to 5K take? You’ll be going out 3 times a week for 9 weeks at a pace that feels right for you. You’ll run a little further each week. You can repeat weeks and take longer if you want to.
You'll find the NHS Couch to 5K app in all the usual places you get your apps from.

Today's conversation is about running with a life-changing condition. Couch to 5k coach and TV and radio presenter Reece Parkinson talks about his relationship with running after being diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. Alongside him is Sally Chambers, who used Reece as a coach on the app and became a friend. She talks about how she uses running after being told she has stage 4 bowel cancer.
Reece is familiar as one of the voices of the NHS Couch to 5k app. He believes running is an armour for life after being diagnosed with type1 diabetes at just 26 whilst recording a TV documentary.
He ‘met’ Sally Chambers on a live radio feature about Couch to 5k. They went on to meet in person at a local Park Run and have become friends ever since. Sally was diagnosed with stage 4 bowel cancer and she explains how running has helped her since 2019. She's now part of the 5k Your Way movement for people impacted by cancer.
Sally tells Giovanna that she has been through more than 50 cycles of chemotherapy and thought she’d never run again after multiple surgeries. However, she has now completed more than 100 Park Runs. And gets out three times a week between her chemo treatment. She says it’s given her sanity back and provides her with headspace.
There's an obvious mutual respect between Reece and Sally with a heart-lifting unity over what running and Couch to 5k can do for people.
Presenter: Giovanna Fletcher
Producer: Mark Shardlow
Exec Producer: Katherine Hogan
For more information on the NHS Couch to 5K programme follow the link below and download the free app.
https://www.nhs.uk/better-health/get-active/get-running-with-couch-to-5k/?WT.mc_ID=Couch_Podcast_BetterHealth&wt.tsrc=display
What is Couch to 5K? It’s a simple, free running plan for absolute beginners
How do you do Couch to 5K? Download an app(details below) and away you go!
Can you do Couch to 5K on a treadmill? Yes, on a treadmill or outside.
How does Couch to 5K work? You will have a trainer in the app starting you off with a mix of running and walking.
How long does Couch to 5K take? You’ll be going out 3 times a week for 9 weeks at a pace that feels right for you. You’ll run a little further each week. You can repeat weeks and take longer if you want to. You'll find the NHS Couch to 5K app in all the usual places you get your apps from.