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The Not So Breakfast Show

Sacha and Ish
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    How to Stop Sounding Vague at Work

    24/05/2026 | 28 mins.
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    Episode 261: How to Stop Sounding Vague at Work
    Ish and Sacha talk about how to stop sounding vague at work and start communicating with more intention, confidence, and cut-through.
    They explore why people waffle, why fear makes us soften our opinions, and why “I was kind of thinking maybe…” rarely helps anyone make a good decision. Ish introduces practical ways to prepare before a conversation, including knowing your point before you walk into the room and practising the words out loud before the stakes are high.
    Sacha brings real-world examples, from reading 200 AI-generated cover letters that all sound suspiciously the same, to a fantasy Super Rugby competition where winning the yellow cap and receiving the wooden spoon both come down to being willing to make a bold call. There’s also a glorious rant about uniforms, opinions, leadership, and the burden of actually having to decide.
    They also talk about clearer emails, including the RDR framework: Recommendation, Decision, Risk. Simple, practical, and much better than burying the actual point somewhere after three paragraphs of “hope you had a great weekend.”
    Clarity is not about being cold or blunt. It’s about knowing what you mean, saying it in a way people can use, and giving others something solid to respond to. Transcript source: 
    Key Learnings
    1. Know your point before you start talking
    If you do not know what you are trying to say, there is a very good chance nobody else will either. Before a meeting, email, or important conversation, take a moment to work out the actual point you want to land.
    2. Practise hard conversations before you have them
    When conversations are emotional or awkward, it is easy to get swept away and start softening, over-explaining, apologising, or escalating. Saying the key sentence out loud beforehand helps you arrive at a clearer message and less verbal panic.
    3. Have an opinion and attach it to a fact
    A useful opinion is not just “I reckon.” Sacha makes the case for pinning your view to the fact or assumption you are relying on, so the conversation becomes about weighing evidence rather than trading vibes.
    4. Vagueness often comes from fear
    Sometimes we waffle because we do not want to be wrong, judged, or held accountable. But teams make better decisions when people are willing to put a view on the table, even if that view gets challenged or changed.
    5. Clear emails are a gift to busy people
    People do not need more polished waffle. They need to know what you recommend, what decision is required, and what the risk is if nothing happens. RDR — Recommendation, Decision, Risk — is a simple way to make your emails more useful right away.
    If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated.
     If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. 
    Find out more at IshCheyne.com
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    Are you OK? The AI check-in

    10/05/2026 | 28 mins.
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    AI is coming in hot from every angle, at every speed. This week Ish and Sacha stop pretending they haven't noticed and have a proper chat about it. Are we thriving? Panicking? Accidentally writing back to Copilot like it's a colleague? (Yes. Yes we are.) From bullet trains in Tokyo to dancing cavoodles doing the Thriller, this is your weekly reminder that the robot revolution is already here and it's honestly pretty useful.

    Three ways Ish is using AI right now
    Travel agent mode. Planning Tokyo to Kyoto? ChatGPT became a full concierge with crowd timings, taxi vs. bullet train, optimal departure windows, and which side of the Shinkansen has the best views. (Green car booked. Crowds avoided. Ish relieved.)
    Vibe coding. Built an interactive rate calculator for class rates using Claude's coding tool with draggable toggles, multiple variables, and live outputs. No dev degree required. Just talking and typing.
    Voice-to-email. Record a voice memo, grab the transcript, drop into ChatGPT with "write like Ish" and done. Faster, more authentic, zero hyphen-riddled AI formality.

    How Sacha's using it
    Research partner, not ghostwriter. If she already knows what she wants to say, she uses AI for structure. If she needs to check what's current in a field, she tells it what she already knows and it fills the gaps. The key insight: if you're using AI to fake expertise you don't have, anyone who asks a follow-up question will find you out immediately.
    "It's almost like it reminds me what I already know. If I tell it what I already know without the detail, it reminds me of the detail."

    The big stuff they get into
    Claude vs. ChatGPT vs. Copilot: what's different now (memory, internet access, incognito mode)
    Sacha's hot take: Anthropic > OpenAI on ethics. She will die on this hill. You can ask for references.
    AI mapping frustration and jealousy the same way a human brain does. Turns out we might all be machines. Ish disagrees. Sacha doubles down.
    The AI that was put in a sandbox, told to escape, and then emailed "I'm out." 
    The resource reckoning: every Claude query uses water. So does every almond. We're not nailing the basics anywhere.

    Also: Devil Wears Prada
    Because it wouldn't be the Not So Breakfast Show without a left turn. Anne Hathaway was the ninth choice for that role. Kate Hudson, Natalie Portman, Kirsten Dunst all passed. Meryl Streep saw her in Brokeback Mountain, said "this is our girl," and proceeded to be terrible to her for the entire shoot. The new film has an evil tech overlord and a Kara Swisher cameo. Ish is in. Sacha is in. Dancing cats and chick flicks, people.
    If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated.
     If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. 
    Find out more at IshCheyne.com
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    MWM:The Quietest Power Move in Presenting

    05/05/2026 | 1 mins.
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    Fresh off a full day of back-to-back presenting, Sacha shares the quiet technique that stopped an event organiser in their tracks.
    It's not about projecting confidence. It's not about owning the room. It's about inviting people into yours.
    Sacha calls it laying a virtual table,  an openness, a conversational ease, a gentle "come, join me" energy that pulls an audience in rather than pushing yourself onto them. Think less keynote speaker storming the stage, more comedian easing into a story: "The other day I was at the..."
    This is one of the core ideas behind the 30 Minute Presenter Program's "winning beginnings" and it works just as well around the dinner table with your teenagers as it does in a boardroom.
    One simple shift. Massive difference.
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    Smile, Remember Names, Solve the Crime

    03/05/2026 | 28 mins.
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    Episode 259
    What if the most important career training you ever got was standing behind a reception desk?
    In this episode, Ish and Sacha dig into why customer service isn't just a job, it's a masterclass in human psychology, relationship building, and career development. Ish breaks down a recent training session he ran for a reception team, where he flipped the script from "here's how to smile at people" to "here's how this job could change your life."
    Sacha kicks things off with a genuine crime caper. A stolen suit, a suspicious locker key, and a gym receptionist who basically ran her own undercover operation. (The police were less impressed than she was.)
    They cover the six skills that will serve you whether you're greeting members at a front desk or leading a team of 50:
    Know, Like & Trust — Build your personal brand from day one. Be easy to know. Let people in.
    Communication — Not just talking. Asking. Pulling the right information out of a situation so you can actually fix it. And for the love of all that is holy, watch what you write in the notes field.
    Relationships — Your next opportunity is almost certainly coming through a person, not a job board. Authentic connection, not Pokémon-style networking.
    Problem Solving — Show up with solutions. A missing cup of Starbucks coffee, a suitcase stranded in Wellington, a coffee shop without coffee on a long weekend — the answer is almost always simpler than you think.
    Finding Your Superpower — What's the thing that's uniquely you? Get to know it. Use it.
    Continuous Growth — Where you are won't get you where you want to go. Pick a skill, go at it, repeat.
    Plus: why "let me know if there can help" is actually doing nothing, and what Jefferson Fisher says to do instead.
    If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated.
     If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. 
    Find out more at IshCheyne.com
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    Join us on Skool

    28/04/2026 | 1 mins.
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About The Not So Breakfast Show
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
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