Decoder with Nilay Patel

Today, we're talking about the camera company Ring, lost dogs, and the surveillance state. Since it aired for a massive audience at the Super Bowl, Ring’s Search Party commercial has become a lightning rod for controversy. It’s easy to see how the same technology that can find lost dogs can be used to find people, and then used to invade our privacy in all kinds of uncomfortable ways, by cops and regular people alike.

Although Ring has since canceled its partnership with controversial surveillance company Flock, the company is now facing hard questions about its plans to use AI to promote safer neighborhoods, and how that intersects with its ongoing relationship with law enforcement. 

Links: 

Ring cancels partnership with Flock after surveillance backlash | The Verge

Ring’s lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of surveillance | The Verge

Ring says it’s not giving ICE access to its cameras | The Verge

How police recovered Nancy Guthrie’s Nest Doorbell footage | The Verge

Ring’s Jamie Siminoff thinks AI can reduce crime | Decoder

Ring CEO says cameras can almost ‘zero out crime’ within 12 months | The Verge

ICE taps into nationwide AI camera network, data shows | 404 Media

ICE, Secret Service had access to Flock's camera network | 404 Media

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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My guest today is Bridget McCormack, former chief justice for the Michigan Supreme Court and now president and CEO of the American Arbitration Association. For the past several years, Bridget and her team have been developing an AI-assisted arbitration platform called the AI Arbitrator.

So I sat down with her to talk about how the tool works, the pros and cons of automating parts of the arbitration process, and the bigger picture questions around institutional trust, justice, and the future of law. 

Links: 

All rise for JudgeGPT | The Verge

Why do lawyers keep using ChatGPT? | The Verge

Judge berates AI entrepreneur for using a generated ‘lawyer’ | The Verge

Judge slams lawyers for ‘bogus AI-generated research’ | The Verge

LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here | Decoder

ChatGPT can be a disaster for lawyers — Robin AI wants to fix that | Decoder

Considerations In building guardrails for AI use In arbitration | Law360

The AI Arbitrator: What it is, what it isn’t, and where it’s going | Law360

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Chris Jereza and Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Siemens is one of those absolutely giant, extremely important, fairly opaque companies we love to dig into on Decoder. At a very basic, reductive level, Siemens makes the hardware and software that let other companies run and automate their stuff.

We spent a lot of time talking about what happens to jobs when Siemens automates everything — and what happens to a company like Siemens when the free trade era we’re used to gets turned on its head.

Read the full interview transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

Siemens Energy CEO attends Trump meeting at Davos | Reuters

PepsiCo, Siemens, Nvidia announce digital twin collaboration | PepsiCo

Siemens spins off Healthineers majority stake | Reuters

Siemens USA to train 200,000 electricians by 2030 | Siemens

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Today, we’re going to talk about reality, and whether we can label photos and videos to protect our shared understanding of the world around us. To do this, I sat down with Verge reporter Jess Weatherbed, who covers creative tools for us — a space that’s been totally upended by generative AI.

We’ve been talking about how the photos and videos taken by our phones are getting more and more processed for years on The Verge. Here in 2026, we’re in the middle of a full-on reality crisis, as fake and manipulated ultra-believable images and videos flood onto social platforms at scale. So Jess and I discussed the limitations of AI labeling standards like C2PA, and why social media execs like Instagram boss Adam Mosseri are now sounding the alarm. 

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

This system can sort real pictures from AI fakes — why aren’t we using it? | The Verge

You can’t trust your eyes to tell you what’s real, says Instagram | The Verge

Instagram’s boss is missing the point about AI on the platform | The Verge

Sora is showing us how broken deepfake detection is | The Verge

Reality still matters | The Verge

No one’s ready for this | The Verge

What is a photo, @WhiteHouse edition | The Verge

Google Gemini is getting better at identifying AI fakes | The Verge

Let’s compare Apple, Google & Samsung’s definitions of 'photo’ | The Verge

The Pixel 8 and the what-is-a-photo apocalypse | The Verge

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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Today, I’m talking with Allan Thygesen, who is the CEO of Docusign. You know Docusign, it’s the platform that lets you sign stuff online. It turns out 7,000 people work there, which is one of those facts floating around that’s always felt like perfect Decoder bait. What are all those people doing? And what kind of product roadmap does a company like Docusign even need?

Alan has only been CEO of Docusign for three years, so he has some interesting perspective on where the company was, the changes he wanted to make, and where he thinks this is all going. Hint: it involves AI. 

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

Docusign's AI will help you understand what you're signing | Fast Company

Docusign on ‘transformational journey,’ CEO Says | Bloomberg

How Docusign Is modernizing the age-old business contract | Barron’s

Docusign unveils next-gen eSignature with AI | Docusign

Docusign brings its contract AI to ChatGPT | Docusign

Interview with Docusign CEO Allan Thygesen | Motley Fool (Podcast)

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane. 

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