For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

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Jodi Picoult is back, and she brought her thirtieth novel with her.
If you have been in a book club at any point in the last thirty years, you know the name. Forty million copies in print. Thirty four languages. And, as of this year, the fourth most banned author in America, which Jen considers a five star review.
Jodi and Jen get into all of it: what thirty years of publishing actually teaches you (start with the underwear), why she refuses to coast when she could easily phone it in, what she believes AI will never do to a reader, and the career she never asked for as an advocate against book banning. Then they turn to Hollow Bones, out September 15, a novel that began with an anonymous postcard and a letter from a jail cell and carried Jodi deep into postpartum psychosis, the dismissal of women by medicine, and the long shadow of 9/11. She also brings back a character you have wondered about since My Sister's Keeper.
One heads up before you press play: this conversation includes discussion of postpartum psychosis, suicide, the death of a child, and school shootings. Please take good care of yourself. Support resources are linked below.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
If I'm not challenged by a book, why should you be?
AI will never be human. Novels work because an author is reaching deep into the heart and soul of a reader and finding a chord to pluck that resonates. AI can imitate that. It can never really do it.
It's fine for a parent to decide what his or her child should be reading. I advocate that. It is not fine for that parent to decide what everyone else's child should be reading.
When we remove books from schools, we are not protecting children. We are taking away resources that help them deal with an increasingly complex world. And that is the opposite of protecting kids.
Women are failed at every turn of their lives by the medical industry.
The more you lie, the easier it gets to lie. And we are living in a time right now when lies are being peddled as truths.
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Hollow Bones by Jodi Picoult (Ballantine, September 15)
Pre-order signed copies plus an exclusive overlay from Still North Books
Pre-order from Barnes & Noble for the sweepstakes and a letter
Nineteen Minutes, My Sister's Keeper, and Mad Honey (with Jennifer Finney Boylan) by Jodi Picoult
The Book Thief by Markus Zusak, adapted for the stage by Jodi Picoult
PostSecret
PEN America on book bans
Postpartum Support International
National Maternal Mental Health Hotline: call or text 1-833-TLC-MAMA
988 Suicide and Crisis Lifeline: call or text 988
Guest's Links:
Website - https://jodipicoult.com/
Instagram - https://instagram.com/jodipicoult
TikTok - https://tiktok.com/@jodipicoult
Facebook -

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There is no guest on the mic today. There is you. It is Listener Voicemail Day, one of Jen's favorite episodes to make, and it lands in the middle of our permission series, right after Jen asked you to find your one true sentence and say it out loud. You did. This episode is what came back.
It comes in two halves. First, the women who called about Jen's mom, Jana King, who, as Jen puts it, a genre.
Have something you need to say out loud? Head to JenHatmaker.com/Podcast, look for the Send Voicemail button, and tell us the quiet thing you finally said, or the one you are still working up to. We are listening.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
"It is real work as moms to not take our own burdens and gently pick them up off of our own shoulders and place them on the shoulders of our kids." - Jen Hatmaker
"Hearing your mom describe a different way of loving and existing was incredibly freeing for me." - Stacy, listener voicemail
"It's just a new terror every day." - Sena, listener voicemail
"I betrayed myself to keep everyone comfortable." - Gina, from her poem "Backfire"
"The truth is, I'm sad because I've given up on myself." - Courtney, listener voicemail
"You do not have to have the answer, or even the path, in order to say the true sentence." - Jen Hatmaker
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
The Sacred Yes: What My Mom Taught Me About Courage, Curiosity, and Starting Again (Jen and her mom, Jana King) - [EPISODE LINK]
Say the Quiet Thing Out Loud, Jen's solo episode and the one true sentence assignment - [EPISODE LINK]
https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast
Letters from the Middle, Jen's Substack, where the honesty conversation runs all month - https://jenhatmaker.substack.com/
The AWAKE Collective, Jen's subscriber community on Substack - https://jenhatmaker.substack.com/p/the-awake-collective
Tell us your story. Leave a voicemail at https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast, look for the Send Voicemail button.

Connect with Jen!
Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Substack - https://jenhatmaker.substack.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen’s Facebook

Some of us will sit in years of low grade misery rather than have one uncomfortable conversation. Jen will be first to raise her hand. She has put off a confrontation so long that the frustration outlasted the thing she was frustrated about. Saying the quiet thing out loud is not only about the truths we tell ourselves. Sometimes it is the sentence we owe another person, the one we have been rehearsing in the shower for eight months and still have not said.
Dr. Rick Hanson is a psychologist, senior fellow at UC Berkeley’s Greater Good Science Center, and New York Times bestselling author of Making Great Relationships. He reframes the whole problem in a way that took the air out of Jen’s dread: confrontation is not a personality trait you either have or you do not. It is a skill, which means it can be learned and practiced.
In this episode, Jen and Rick explore:
Why relationships are built out of small back and forth interactions
The difference between what comes at you and what you send back, and where your real power lives
Rick’s five part checklist for wise speech, plus the optional sixth
What to do when a conversation goes sideways, and how to know your own lines
The permission to resize a relationship instead of ending it
If you have been carrying something for months waiting for the right moment, consider this a nudge and a toolkit.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
“Relationships are made from interactions. The gradual weight of interactions, for better or worse, over time shapes the relationship.” (Dr. Rick Hanson)
“What comes over the net is out of our control in the moment. But what we do at that point, how we respond, what we choose, that is under our control.” (Dr. Rick Hanson)
“Most arguments are about the past. They will never see it your way. The best you can get them to do is agree to something different from now on.” (Dr. Rick Hanson)
“I never get free until I identify whatever I was responsible for, which sometimes is zero.” (Dr. Rick Hanson)
“I will walk around with a conflict in my brain and heart and bury it until it comes out sideways. Because it does. It will find a way out.” (Jen Hatmaker)
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Making Great Relationships by Dr. Rick Hanson
Mother Nurture by Dr. Rick Hanson
Nonviolent Communication by Marshall B. Rosenberg
Being Well Podcast with Dr. Rick Hanson and Forrest Hanson
Global Compassion Coalition - https://globalcompassioncoalition.org/
Greater Good Science Center - https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/
Guest’s Links:
Website - https://rickhanson.com/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/rickhansonphd
Podcast - https://rickhanson.com/being-well-podcast/
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitte ...

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Nine years is a long time between visits. When Amena Brown was last on the show in 2017, she was a spoken word poet booked solid inside white evangelicalism, doing one poem at a time between worship songs and quietly wondering how much longer she could keep walking back in. She came back to tell Jen what happened next.
This conversation traces the whole arc: the green rooms where she was told her grief was divisive, the healing circle where a Black woman looked her dead in the face and said you have to get out, the three months of panic attacks that followed, and the call from Tracee Ellis Ross that showed her a bigger world was possible. It is a story about leaving before you have a new boat built.
Then there is the book. Never Tell a Black Girl How to Black Girl started as a poetry collection and became something wilder, funnier, and more free. Amena talks about Black Girl as a verb, the essay she cried writing, her list of qualifying reasons for a Black Woman Day Off, and why the audiobook has a live Black girl audience hollering back. Bring your cheekbones. They are going to be sore.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
You can't keep re-entering that space. Every time you re-enter, it re-traumatizes you. (Amena Brown, quoting the leader of a Black women's healing circle)
Whatever a Black girl does is Black girling. If I'm a Black girl who likes to fry chicken, then that's Black girling. If I'm a Black girl who likes to play the cello, that is Black girling. (Amena Brown)
Save nothing for the swim home. (Jen Hatmaker, quoting literary agent Margaret Riley King)
I love about Cardi B that she gives me permission to be mad as hell. (Amena Brown)
Joy is a part of how we survive, it's a part of how we resist. (Amena Brown)
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Never Tell a Black Girl How to Black Girl by Amena Brown (Tiny Reparations Books)
How to Fix a Broken Record by Amena Brown
Awake by Jen Hatmaker
Bookshop.org, plus your local indie and Black-owned bookstores and your library
The Together Live tour with Glennon Doyle and Abby Wambach
PATTERN Beauty and Tracee Ellis Ross
Lemonade by Beyonce
New Blue Sun by Andre 3000
Austin Channing Brown, Jeff Chu, and Sarah Bessey
Guest's Links:
Website - https://www.amenabrown.com/
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/amenabee/
Podcast - https://www.amenabrown.com/her-with-amena-brown
Connect with Jen!
Jen's Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen's Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen's Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen's Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.