For The Love With Jen Hatmaker Podcast

She's become a leading voice in the culinary world and now hosts the very cooking competition show that launched her career. Kristen Kish was eliminated from Bravo's Top Chef Season 10, then fought her way back through Last Chance Kitchen to win it all. Since her 2013 victory, she's opened her Austin restaurant Arlo Grey (with another on the way in NYC), hosted Kitchens at the End of the World and Iron Chef, and stepped into the host role at Top Chef: the student becoming the teacher. In her new book, Accidentally on Purpose
In this episode, we cover:
• Pivoting, embracing change, and building a truthful, authentic life
• Why the road to success is more winding than it seems
• Recognizing when it's time to make a change or step forward
• Battling imposter syndrome, burnout, and the voice of doubt
• How life's best opportunities often come from embracing the unexpected
Thought-provoking Quotes:
"I figured out that I don't need to be anything other than myself. " – Kristen Kish
"For a long time, I didn't know myself at all. I was too scared. I was scared of knowing where I came from because what if I found out something absolutely horrible? " – Kristen Kish
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Top Chef - https://www.bravotv.com/top-chef
Bravo - https://www.bravotv.com/
Accidentally on Purpose by Kristen Kish - https://amzn.to/4iJQy04
Arlo Grey - https://www.thelinehotel.com/austin/restaurants-bars/arlo-grey/
Stef Ferrari, food writer - https://www.theycallmeferrari.com/ferrari-here
Charlotte Rose Coleman, fashion stylist - https://www.charlotterosecoleman.com/
Guest's Links:
Website - https://www.thelinehotel.com/magazine/meet-atx-family-kristen-kish/ Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kristenlkish/
Twitter - https://x.com/kristenlkish
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/KristenLKish/
TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@kristenlkish
Connect with Jen!
Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

With the midterms days away, Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers of Pantsuit Politics break down what is really on the ballot, how to make sure your vote counts, and how to survive the Thanksgiving table when your family lands all over the map. This isn't an episode about how to vote. It's about how to be a person right now.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
"It doesn't cost me anything to listen to people." - Beth Silvers
"Your vote counts more in the midterm elections because fewer people vote." - Beth Silvers
"If you ask people to silence that, you lose the opportunity to connect." - Sarah Stewart Holland
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Sarah and Beth's books - https://bookshop.org/lists/pantsuit-politics-book-club
Up First from NPR - https://www.npr.org/podcasts/510318/up-first
The Daily - https://www.nytimes.com/column/the-daily
The Ezra Klein Show - https://www.nytimes.com/column/ezra-klein-podcast
For the Love with Priya Parker - https://jenhatmaker.com/podcast
Meander Bookshop - https://bookshop.org/shop/meanderbookshop
Also mentioned: Start Here (ABC News), The New York Times, Axios, News Items, and Mary Higgins Clark's Where Are the Children?
Guest's Links:
Website - https://www.pantsuitpoliticsshow.com
Substack - https://pantsuitpolitics.substack.com
Instagram - https://instagram.com/pantsuitpolitics
Sarah's Substack - https://stewartholland.substack.com
Connect with Jen!
Jen's Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen's Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen's Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/
Jen's Facebook - https://facebook.com/jenhatmaker
Jen's YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/JenHatmaker
The For the Love Podcast is presented by Audacy.

Kim Hill had the kind of run most artists only dream of: number one songs on Christian radio, arena stages, and the biggest women’s conferences in the country. Paulette Wooten was a songwriter, musician, and ordained music minister helping build the modern worship movement from the inside. Then they met at a worship school, played a 45-minute set together as near strangers, and a year and a half of friendship on the road quietly turned into love. In a world where that was not allowed, they chose each other anyway.
As part of our Courage to Change: Do It Scared series, Jen sits down with Kim and Paulette, now the Americana duo Wooten Hill, to talk about the long, slow road out of the world that built them. They share the disastrous wedding venue chapter (Billy and the squirrels!), what changed when they stopped hiding from themselves, why they chose not to blow up their lives, and how they’ve kept love at the center even when it wasn’t returned. Plus, the summer they waited on a grandbaby in Nashville and ended up making the truest record of their lives. Their first full-length album, How Did We Get Here, is out now.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
“If I am gay, I’m gonna be gay and have a real relationship. I’m not gonna have some no man’s land.” - Kim Hill
“I feel like someone plugged me into an amp. I feel like I sing better.” - Kim Hill
“This is the truest art I have ever put out.” - Paulette Wooten
“You’re not too late, you’re not broken. You are enough.” - Kim Hill
“I find that kind of faith the most faithful kind of faith.” - Jen Hatmaker
“Your story has made you softer, not harder.” - Jen Hatmaker
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
How Did We Get Here by Wooten Hill (streaming, CD, and vinyl) - https://wootenhill.com
The Road to Wooten Hill podcast (launching October 30) - https://wootenhill.com
Wooten Hill on Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/artist/wooten-hill/1539129507
The Treehouse + Co - https://www.thetreehouseandco.com
“How He Loves” by John Mark McMillan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_He_Loves
Leave us a voicemail - http://jenhatmaker.com/Podcast
Guest’s Links:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wootenhillmusic/
Website - https://wootenhill.com
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/wootenhillband/
Apple Music - https://music.apple.com/us/artist/wooten-hill/1539129507
Connect with Jen!
Jen’s Website - https://jenhatmaker.com/
Jen’s Instagram - https://instagram.com/jenhatmaker
Jen’s Twitter - https://twitter.com/jenHatmaker/

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Twelve years ago, Kim and Penn Holderness made a Christmas card video in their pajamas, it broke the internet, and they both walked away from careers in TV news to make videos full time. With two little kids, two months of savings, and no health insurance. In 2013, when that was not even a job. They have been reinventing ever since, and they are right in the middle of it again.
We recorded this conversation in a very tender week. They had just moved their oldest back to college, and two days earlier, Penn's mother passed away after nine years in skilled nursing with Alzheimer's. They showed up anyway, and I am so grateful they did. We talk about the leap of 2013 and the creators who told them every new baby was worth a million followers, what they owe their kids for putting them on the internet before any of us knew better, why every couple should have a podcast even if you never post it, and why they took their family name off their show to start Laugh Lines, all about aging better together.
Then Penn tells me about the Alzheimer's prevention trial he joined, what he learned about his own genes, the changes he is making now, and how his mom's brain went to a research study at Duke within an hour of her death so it could help someone else. I was not prepared, and I cried. It is one of the most hopeful things I have ever heard about this disease. This is part of our October series, Courage to Change: Do It Scared. Still to come this month: Sarah Stewart Holland and Beth Silvers of Pantsuit Politics.
Thought-provoking Quotes:
There is no such thing as a podcast emergency.
Don't get good at something you don't really want to do.
There's a moment where you can't not do that thing.
Every couple needs a podcast, even if you don't post it.
When you can hear how you talk to your partner, it is so eye opening.
We know what a gift it is to age. I don't want to be 20. I don't want to be 40. I'm really thrilled with the age I am.
You start saying goodbye to someone the minute they go into skilled nursing.
We knew, okay, we're helping. Her brain's going to help.
We all do what we do. No one's right or wrong.
Everybody behind us will do a better version of it. But it's kind of fun being on the front edge with y'all.
Resources Mentioned in This Episode:
Laugh Lines with Kim & Penn Holderness - https://shows.acast.com/holdermess-the-holderness-family-podcast
RetainYourBrain, Dr. Richard Isaacson's free brain health assessment platform - https://retainyourbrain.com
AlzLabs, lower-cost at-home brain health blood testing from Dr. Richard Isaacson - https://alzlabs.org
ADHD Is Awesome: A Guide to (Mostly) Thriving with ADHD by Penn and Kim Holderness - [LINK TBD]
Everybody Fights: So Why Not Get Better at It? by Penn and Kim Holderness - [LINK TBD]
Awake: A Memoir by Jen Hatmaker - https://bookshop.org/p/books/untitled-memoir-jen-hatmaker/22287565