Lunch on The Way

This is the last episode of 2025, taking a look back at why the podcast looked so different from the previous 2 years. I also venture into why Jonathan only appeared in 3 episodes and what 2026 might look like.Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Dr Greg Liston to discuss Lesslie Newbigin's 5 big ways churches should approach cultural and be distinct through creating plausibility structures.Dr. Greg Liston is a Senior Lecturer at Laidlaw College specialising in ecclesiology and systematic theology. He was the Lead Pastor of Mt Albert Baptist Church in Auckland, New Zealand. He also holds two PhDs: one in theology and the other in physics.00:00 Intro01:56 Lesslie Newbigin vs relevance missiology07:52 Newbigin's PT 109:42 Newbigin's PT 216:14 Newbigin's PT 323:54 Newbigin's PT 429:34 Newbigin's PT 531:53 Is Eastern Orthodoxy the Best Plausibility Structure?39:34 Living in the Tension of Two Worlds44:04 Deconstructing Secularism and Technique49:04 Church is About "Being" Before "Doing"59:09 The HOPE ConferencePodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.

On this episode, Jonathan, Graeme, and Joey discuss what biblical wisdom is and how "the fear of the Lord" might not mean what we think. We disagree, agree, argue, meet in the middle, and much more.00:00 Introduction02:01 Answering listener's questions10:07 Why "the fear of the Lord" and wisdom?16:26 The OT and wisdom26:31 How wisdom became incarnational32:31 From fear to love in Christ36:11 The tension of Holy-Love40:11 A definition of wisdom50:06 You can't live solely by principlesPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.

In this episode, Jonathan Hoskin rejoins Graeme and Joey as they look at the physical world and rediscover a re-enchantment or sacramental nature to the world through visiting Iain McGilChrist's, "The Matter With Things" (2021). They explore how the Western world became flat and secular, who Iain McGilchrist is and what he gets right and wrong about the world and God, how the world is deeply sacramental and what that means, and much more.00:00 Introduction02:15 Jonathan is BACK!06:10 The world is a window, not a wall10:40 How we became secular people23:45 how secularism has impacted Christians33:55 Iain McGilchrist "The Matter With Things"39:15 Mistaking the map for the terrain (important)42:30 McGilchrist re-enchants a scientific world50:55 Jesus confirms a sacramental world54:35 How we can change from a flat, mechanistic worldview01:00:45 Theologians pray ... [insert literally anything] prayPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.

In this conversation, Graeme and Joey sit down with Rev. Louise Wernich to talk about business strategy and leadership helping churches. Pastors have become increasingly suspicious of business practices distorting the purpose of the church, but Louise addresses how we can go too far in the other direction.Rev. Louise Wernich is an ordained minister in the Methodist Church of South Africa and has recently completed in MBA in New Zealand. She works at Laidlaw College within the post-graduate theology programmes. She has considerable experience leading churches of all size, and she has recently come to appreciate the importance of business leadership for the church.00:00 teaser / intro02:12 the tension between church / business leadership10:39 who is your church competing with?19:47 PESTEL and SWOT strategic framworks27:20 what to do when a ministry is dying31:27 the purpose of the church37:20 migrant churches navigating NZ culture48:12 migrant churches should do this ...56:12 why church strategy matters58:52 AI us causing pause / disruption within people01:01:02 Church staff aren't familyPodcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.