The 4th Wave in Therapy

Gavin Abeyratne

In this episode of the Fourth Wave in Therapy podcast, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Gavin Abeyratne, exploring the intersection of leadership, personal development, and innovative therapeutic practices. They discuss the emergence of the fourth wave in therapy, the impact of limiting beliefs on leadership, and the importance of understanding the six forces of change that affect personal and professional growth. Gavin shares insights on the role of psychedelic-assisted therapy, the concept of integral alchemy, and practical tools for self-discovery, emphasizing the relational nature of self and the importance of community in personal development. In this engaging conversation, Gavin Abeyratne and Dr. Peta Stapleton explore themes of personal growth, visualization, and emotional balance through guided meditation techniques. They discuss the importance of social influences, the process of visualizing future successes, and the dynamics of energy flow within the body. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of acknowledging both positive and negative feelings, embracing possibilities, and trusting the timing of life transitions. The session culminates in reflections on the experience and insights gained, along with resources for further exploration.

Gavin Abeyratne is an autodidactic polymath that likes big words and even bigger visions. When he's not writing about himself in the 3rd person, he's studying consciousness or spending time with his wife, two lovely daughters and cat in Melbourne, Australia.

My vision is to call in the best and brightest, and synergise our collective capability to catalyse an elevation in consciousness... no big deal.

Website: https://www.integralalchemy.com.au/

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/gavin-abeyratne

Dr Hayley Kelly

In this episode, Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Hayley Kelly, a clinical psychologist, discussing the challenges within the mental health system, the burnout faced by therapists, and the disconnect between therapy practices and business skills. They explore the evolving expectations of clients and the need for innovation in therapy to better serve the community. We delve into the evolving landscape of therapy practices, exploring the critical need for innovation and adaptation in the field. As societal challenges and technological advancements reshape the way we approach mental health, therapists are called to embrace new methods and tools to enhance their practice. Join us as I chat with Dr Hayley Kelly and discover how innovation is not just an option but a necessity in the future world of mental health care.

Dr. Hayley Kelly is a clinical psychologist, speaker, and founder of Therapists Rising. With over a decade in the therapy room and a PhD in psychology, Hayley now helps therapists expand their impact beyond one-to-one work through her Mental Health 3.0 framework — a future-ready model for thriving in a digital-first, ethically complex mental health landscape. Her work bridges evidence-based clinical excellence with innovation, equity, and accessibility, equipping therapists to adapt, lead, and create change in a system that’s struggling to keep pace with the world around it.

Website: https://therapistsrising.com/

Show notes and resources are available here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-hayley-kelly

Dr Gina Cleo

In this episode, Dr. Gina Cleo discusses the science of habit change and its profound impact on wellbeing. She shares her personal journey into habit science, emphasizing the importance of understanding how habits are formed and how they can be changed. The conversation explores the neuroscience behind habits, the role of dopamine, and practical strategies for establishing healthy habits, particularly around sleep and wellbeing. Dr. Cleo also debunks the myth of the 21-day habit formation rule and provides insights for therapists on helping clients develop new habits.

Dr. Gina Cleo is a globally recognised expert in habit change and wellbeing, and is passionate about translating scientific evidence into simple, actionable strategies to help improve health, wellness and mindset-related habits-long-term.

Gina has a PhD in habit change, is an Assistant Professor at Bond University, and an Accredited Dietitian. Her research has been published in highly reputable medical journals globally, and she has been featured in over 250 media outlets including Australian’s major television networks and leading print and online publications. She is also a regular keynote speaker and expert panellist at national and international conferences. In 2024, Gina released her best-selling book, The Habit Revolution, further establishing her as a leading voice in the field of habit change. When she’s not geeking out on new habit research, Gina is running courses through her Habit Change Institute and working the land on her acreage property.

Website: www.drginacleo.com

Instagram: www.instagram.com/drginacleo

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-gina-cleo

Kerry Neilson

In this episode, Dr. Peta Stapleton reconnects with Kerry Neilson, a quantum empowerment and transformation coach. They explore the cultural misconceptions surrounding change, the significance of personal awakening, and the interplay between science and spirituality in the transformation process. Kerry shares her profound journey of recovery from alcoholism, emphasising the importance of surrender, self-compassion, and identity change. The conversation culminates in an introduction to Kerry's course, 'Wired for Wonder,' which aims to guide individuals through their own transformation journeys.

Kerry Neilson (M.Ed Studies in Guidance & Counselling, Dip. Gestalt Therapy) is a Gestalt therapist, writer, and former high school guidance counsellor and educator. With over 25 years’ experience, she specialises in helping people move through major life transitions. She is the author of the upcoming book Whole, Not Wholesome: How to Fall Apart, Wake the Hell Up and Let Your Pieces Become Power. Kerry also offers courses and webinars on spirituality, resilience, crisis, and personal transformation.

Learn more at https://www.kerryneilson.com.au/

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/kerry-neilson

Dr Lorne Brown

In this engaging conversation, Dr. Peta Stapleton interviews Dr. Lorne Brown, exploring the intersection of acupuncture and tapping therapies like EFT. They discuss how emotions are stored in the body, the importance of daily tapping for emotional regulation, and the impact of cosmetic procedures on acupoints. The conversation delves into specific acupoints, their significance, and how understanding these can enhance the effectiveness of tapping therapies. In this enlightening conversation, Lorne Brown and Dr. Peta Stapleton delve into the intricate relationship between acupuncture, EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques), and emotional health. They explore how tapping therapies can facilitate emotional release, the importance of understanding acupuncture points, and the potential contraindications in therapy. The discussion emphasizes the integration of EFT and acupuncture for a holistic approach to healing, highlighting the significance of staying present with emotions during the process.

Dr. Lorne Brown is the Clinical Director of Acubalance Wellness Centre, and the of Founder Pro D Seminars, Medigogy, and the Integrative Fertility Symposium. After a career as a Chartered Professional Accountant (CPA), Lorne received his Doctor of Traditional Chinese Medicine at Vancouver’s International College of Traditional Chinese Medicine, Lorne has extensive postgraduate training in gynecology, obstetrics, and reproductive medicine. In 2012, Lorne published the Acubalance Fertility Diet which is made available for free through the Acubalance website.

Dr. Brown has successfully integrated his entrepreneurial skills and background as a CPA with his passion for Chinese Medicine establishing a very successful fertility practice (Acubalance.ca) and pioneering online continuing education through Pro D Seminars and Medigogy.com as well as the Integrative Fertility Symposium for Chinese Medicine Practitioners worldwide.

I am passionate about helping my patients harness their inner healer and become active participants in their own healthcare. I strongly believe in the importance of an integrative approach to health, which led me to establish the Acubalance Wellness Centre in 2000. I continually seek out and obtain certification in various energy psychology / belief change modalities – including clinical hypnotherapy, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, PSYCH-K Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) and Rapid Transformational Therapy (RTT) – and I incorporate these belief change modalities in my acupuncture & laser sessions with my patients. My aim is to empower them to take the reins of their physical and emotional well-being. In addition to my role as Clinical Director at Acubalance Wellness Centre, I founded Healthy Seminars to provide acupuncturists and functional medicine practitioners with access to a comprehensive selection of online continuing education courses. In 2015, I founded the Integrative Fertility Symposium, which is the largest conference focusing on treating reproductive health issues using an integrative approach.

Website: https://lornebrown.com/

Show notes and transcripts are on the podcast page here: https://www.evidencebasedeft.com/dr-lorne-brown