What a Lawyer

• S3, E03 - Acquiring skills instead of job titles with Katharine Hockly

  In the third episode of Season 3 of the What a Lawyer podcast, Sam speaks with Katharine Hockly from Data Story. The conversation is based on her legal career and the skills acquired from various legal environments, and ultimately how they transfer into her new career slightly outside of the law. Katharine's journey through private practice and in-house Government roles describes opportunity, training and great people surrounding her. Putting herself in positions to learn, manage and succeed in law has given her a robust and fully transferrable skillset that means she can operate her own business, and in a totally different role. Hear about Katharine's journey and how she has made it her own. Hit "Play Now" in the title or listen on your favourite podcast platform.

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• Beyond Billable Hours with Keegan Jones

  In the second episode of Season 3 of the What a Lawyer podcast, Sarah sits down with Keegan Jones from WRMK Lawyers in Whangārei. Keegan’s journey into law reflects a deep sense of purpose, combining strong commercial experience with a commitment to community and kaupapa Māori values. After clerking at a commercial firm in Christchurch and completing his Law and Commerce degrees at the University of Canterbury, he moved into policy and advisory work at Te Puni Kōkiri - the Ministry of Māori Development - before returning home to Northland. Now a Senior Solicitor at WRMK Lawyers, Keegan advises across a broad mix of commercial and construction matters, including business sales, leasing, shareholder arrangements, and development projects. But it's what he’s building beyond his day job that truly sets him apart. In 2022, Keegan founded the Free Legal Clinics Project – an initiative offering free, iwi-based legal support across Northland. Since its launch, the project has helped over 500 people and is expanding into Christchurch and the Waikato. Keegan has already been recognised as a NZ Lawyer Rising Star, named among the Most Influential Lawyers in the country, and was a semi-finalist for Young New Zealander of the Year – and he’s only just getting started. Tune in to hear how Keegan is using his legal career to create meaningful change, one community at a time. Hit "Play Now" in the title or listen on your favourite podcast platform.

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• S3, E01 - From Lawyer to Leader to Educator with Gemma Wragg

  In the first episode of Season 3 of the What a Lawyer podcast, Sam sits down with Gemma Wragg from Tavendale & Partners in Christchurch. ‍Gemma started her career as a practicing lawyer in commercial law, property, private client and agribusiness, but also had a passion for human rights and education as a whole. She made a great start with Duncan Cotterill after clerking in Timaru, and felt she learned the basics of bigger-picture thinking from her former supervisor. ‍In moving to Tavendale & Partners, she experienced several significant role evolutions, skillset acquisitions, responsibilities and challenges. Taking on her Firms first c-suite leadership position, she set about creating an environment that fostered growth and enhanced delivery and enjoyment. ‍Now focussed on revolutionising the legal education and training space for the junior market in her Firm (and perhaps wider), Gemma is bringing all her experience in taking wider requirements and objectives and narrowing them down for our juniors to grasp. It is an exciting time is the education and congratulations to Gemma for taking a leading role.

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• S2, Bonus Track - Sam & Sarah Review the New Zealand Legal Job Market of 2024

  Join Sarah and Sam as they discuss the legal job market of 2024 and bring the year to a close with this bonus track. ‍ In the final episode of Season 2, Sam is joined by his business partner, Sarah Wilson, Co-Director of Chisholm Clarke. While Sam typically interviews legal professionals, Sarah brings a fresh perspective from her experience in legal search. Although early in her career, Sarah has quickly made her mark after spending nearly two and a half years at a global recruitment agency and becoming her own boss in January this year. In this episode, Sam and Sarah delve into the 2024 legal market, sharing valuable insights on trends, salary expectations, common challenges and solutions and what lawyers may see in the coming months. They also touch on advice for young, ambitious lawyers navigating the evolving landscape, and provide guidance on how to thrive in a competitive market. They spotlight on general salary trends for lawyers, but for more specific detail - here is a breakdown below. Salaries vary by region, firm type, level and practice area. Larger firms often offer structured benefits to more senior lawyers, while smaller and medium-sized firms balance competitive packages with a focus on work-life balance and flexibility. If you're looking for more detail on comparing your salary, are interested in beginning a conversation with us or have some feedback on this episode, please reach out today. And lastly, thank you to all our listeners, lawyers and law firms of the New Zealand legal industry for supporting this podcast and our work at Chisholm Clarke. It was an honour to receive our first award for Service Provider of the Year to the legal industry this year and sponsor and present the awards at NZ Lawyer's ceremony for Young Private Practice Lawyer of the Year and Young In-House Lawyer of the Year. We are thrilled to support these young, talented lawyers and emerging leaders of Aotearoa and congratulations to the Excellence Awardees and Finalists in both categories, and to all those involved in every category across the night and the industry. We are already looking forward to doing it all over it again next year.

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• S2, E09 - From Clerk to Partner in seven years with Sam Thorp

  In the final episode of Season 2, we are joined by a new Partner at White Fox & Jones named Sam Thorp. Sam started his career in the same firm and has demonstrated a keen desire to understand the bigger picture of practicing law, leading him towards a major milestone within a short time frame. We ask Sam to spill the beans and let us in on what he does, how he empowers his people and where the road leads next. Join us for this enlightening conversation that any young ambitious lawyer might benefit from. Thank you for all the support we have received for this podcast and the guests that generously shared their stories with our audience.

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