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At Work with The Ready

Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin
At Work with The Ready
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  • At Work with The Ready

    AUA: How Do You Make Employee Ownership Actually Feel Real?

    22/06/2026 | 8 mins.
    Plenty of companies make the move to employee ownership—ESOPs, EOTs, buyouts—and then wonder why nothing really changes. The shares transfer, the announcement goes out, and then... people still feel like employees. The ownership is technically there, but the culture hasn't caught up.

    In this mini episode, Rodney and Sam respond to a listener who's seen this gap firsthand and wants to know which parts of the operating system to examine first. Drawing heavily from The Ready's own experience as an EOT, Rodney and Sam make the case that ownership culture lives in three places most companies underinvest in and why checks and balances between long-term purpose and short-term operations are the structural move that makes distributed power meaningful.

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    ESOP (Employee Stock Ownership Plan)

    EOT (Employee Owned Trust)

    The Ready's EOT transition

    The Ready's OS Canvas

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  • At Work with The Ready

    50. The Ways of Working Movement Failed. Now What?

    15/06/2026 | 51 mins.
    Fifteen years ago, the future of work seemed inevitable: bureaucracy was crumbling, adaptive organizations were the next default, and a whole movement of practitioners was going to get us there. That future never arrived. Agile transformation offices are being eliminated, the pendulum has swung hard back to command-and-control, and the companies we held up as proof are still the exceptions, not the rule.

    This week, Rodney and Sam take an honest look at the failure of the ways of working movement, including their own part in it. They dig into the mismatches that doomed so much of this work and get practical about what still works—because while the movement may have stalled, the moves still matter.

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    Mentioned references:

    Bradlees

    Twilight and Sunshine Zone

    Buurtzorg

    Morning Star: BNW Ep. 54 with Doug Kirkpatrick

    Haier

    "Bayer under Bill": BNW Ep. 68 with Bill Anderson

    Mary Parker Follett

    org debt: FOHR Miniseries

    action meeting: BNW Ep. 80

    strategy stack: AWWTR EP. 2

    op rhythm: BNW Ep. 118

    00:00 Intro + Check-in: Your first music purchase with your own money?
    05:18 The failure of the new ways of working movement
    07:54 What we mean by "failure"
    11:08 ZIRP, COVID, and the swing back to command-and-control
    15:27 What people will buy isn’t actually what they need
    17:30 Selling Sunshine Zone products for Twilight Zone work
    20:12 Bottoms-up to a fault
    25:01 Nobody has capacity to learn anymore
    28:11 Tennis vs. golf: the new consulting posture
    35:23 Is local change worth it?
    38:42 Failure of the movement, not the moves
    40:34 Change #1 - Go deeper
    42:49 Change #2 - Orient to the outcome
    44:47 Change #3 - Branching roadmaps and scenario planning
    46:15 Change #4 - Build organizations that benefit from change
    49:15 The End

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  • At Work with The Ready

    AUA: Is Real Change Possible Inside Federal Bureaucracy?

    08/06/2026 | 7 mins.
    Most of the conversation about the future of work is aimed squarely at the corporate sector—growth engines, dual transformation, quarterly targets. But what if your organization exists to regulate, administer, and serve the public? What if the purpose isn't changing, and innovation of the underlying mission isn't really on the table?

    In this mini episode, Rodney and Sam respond to an internal consultant at a large federal agency who's wondering how much of the podcast's advice actually translates to their world. The answer: more than you'd think.

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    Mentioned references:

    The Ready's OS Canvas

    "Dual Transformation episode": AWWTR Ep. 43

    "org debt"

    "user centered design": AWWTR Ep 42, Skill 2

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    Traditional Consulting Sold You a Great Idea. Now What? [Rebroadcast]

    01/06/2026 | 50 mins.
    Producer's Note: It’s been two years since this episode first aired, and it’s every bit as relevant today. We’ve got some exciting things on these themes coming really soon, so revisit this one and we'll see in two weeks with a brand new episode.

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    For decades, traditional consulting (think “management” or “strategy” varieties now synonymous with the Big Three) has been a go-to move for organizations looking for a shake up. Need a bulletproof vision for the future or a new org restructuring that’ll win over the C-suite and shareholders? You can’t beat their analytical prowess, strategy design, and slick presentation.

    But too often clients wind up stuck with expensive change plans they can’t execute on their own. Without real coaching, structure, and experienced guidance, these efforts stand a high chance of fizzling out and collecting dust on a shelf. Facing that reality time and time again lead The Ready to study and understand how organizations actually work and evolve. Yes, we’re also consultants—but the processes, outcomes, and experiences we create differ greatly. And that can lead to a whole bunch of confusion.

    In this episode of At Work With The Ready, Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin delve into the stark differences between traditional consulting and how future-of-work firms like The Ready operate. Because not all consulting is created equal.

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    Mentioned references:

    ⁠VUCA⁠

    "participatory change": ⁠BNW Ep. 43⁠

    "cross-functional teaming": ⁠Future of HR Ep. 1⁠

    "strategy pancakes episode": ⁠AWWTR Ep. 2⁠

    00:00 Intro + Check-In: What’s your best advice for moving?

    04:37 Disclaimer: This isn’t a takedown episode of traditional consulting

    06:33 The Pattern: Traditional consulting is a band-aid for a broken OS

    10:20 The deliverable is often confused with an outcome

    13:20 Executives and C-suite buy projects for the visible work, not the invisible work

    15:31 Traditional consulting is a hedge for the CEO–Board of Directors relationship

    17:52 Traditional consulting works around and outside a broken OS; it doesn’t fix it

    25:30 Builds dependency on a third party for expertise or sensemaking the market

    28:30 What to do instead: prioritize effectiveness even/over growth and extraction

    31:34 Figure out where you’ll always want an outside partner, and where you want to learn to do it internally

    34:19 Seek our partners you want to be positively disrupted by, if you want to be disrupted

    37:57 Contract for the partnership you want and what your needs are

    39:19 Decide for yourself what you need and then ask for it, rather than having a third party tell you what you need

    42:42 Be clear about what you’re buying, and what it will require from you

    45:50 Closing round: What did we learn?

    49:10 Wrap up: share the show with your friends and coworkers!

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  • At Work with The Ready

    AUA: How Honest Should Leaders Be During a Transformation?

    25/05/2026 | 12 mins.
    Your company announced a shiny new transformation, set to herald a new era of possibility. But a few weeks in, it's starting to feel a lot more like a top-down cost-cutting exercise with a nicer label—and people are afraid that speaking up will put a target on their back. Sound familiar?

    In this mini episode, Rodney and Sam respond to a listener caught in the middle of it all: working with the consultants, reporting to senior leaders, and hearing directly from employees who aren't buying the official story. They unpack why "transformation" means different things to different buyers, why RIFs aren't always the villain, and how the gap between stated goals and actual behavior erodes trust faster than any layoff.

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    Mentioned references:

    traditional consulting: AWWTR Ep. 8

    layoffs and restructuring: AWWTR AUA

    different approaches to layoffs: BNW Ep. 152

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About At Work with The Ready
Rodney Evans and Sam Spurlin have helped teams around the world adopt more modern ways of working and on At Work with The Ready they’re sharing the inside scoop with you, too. Whether you’re struggling with a carousel of ineffective meetings, annual strategy sessions that go nowhere, or decision-making churn that never ceases, they’ve seen it all and are here to help. In each episode, they'll break down common workplace challenges and show you the moves—both big and small—to start making real, lasting change. (Formerly “Brave New Work” with Aaron Dignan and Rodney Evans)
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