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Most brands are quietly killing themselves with growth hacks. Swapping button colors, chasing this week's ROI, discounting to hit the number.

Duncan, Strategy Lead at Pilothouse, makes the case that this is the worst creative strategy there is, and walks through what actually builds a brand that lasts.

Duncan runs strategy at Pilothouse, where brand and performance are treated as one system instead of warring departments. He explains why Meta's Andromeda shift is quietly ending the era of high-volume AI slop creative, and what replaces it.

What you will learn:
Why the growth-hack mentality leads to a discount death spiral and erodes brand value
What Meta's Andromeda infrastructure changed, and why it forces advertisers toward thoughtful creative over high-frequency iteration
How to integrate brand and performance instead of picking one
Why siloed agencies fight over attribution while the customer journey falls through the cracks
The one question to ask any agency before you hire them: "Where will growth come from this year?"

Who this is for: DTC founders, brand and growth leads, and anyone choosing between agencies or trying to make brand and performance work together.

What to steal: the agency-selection test. If a partner can only answer with optimizations, they are a vendor. If they can tell you where growth comes from this year, they are a strategist.

Timestamps:
00:00 Why Growth Hacking Is Breaking Brands
03:00 Meta Andromeda Changed Creative Strategy
06:00 The Problem With Optimizing Only for ROAS
12:00 Building Customer Journeys Beyond Attribution
20:00 Measuring Channels by Their Actual Job

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Recorded live at The Whalies.

Enterprise brands are past the prompt-and-generate phase of AI. The conversation has moved to connected data, agentic media buying, personalization, attribution, and the quiet operational wins that actually move the P&L.

Eric Dyck sits down with Justin Parker (Origin), Ashley Kick (DÔEN), and Martha Ann Pavoni (Universal Ads) to unpack how leading ecommerce brands are embedding AI across the commerce stack — without losing trust, measurement, or human judgment.

This episode is brought to you by Triple Whale. Much of the panel centers on Moby 2, Triple Whale's agentic operator for insights and media buying — Justin Parker runs all but three of his Meta campaigns through it and has been in the beta since the start.

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In this episode:
Why business context — not the model — is the missing ingredient in most AI implementations
How DÔEN rolls out AI one workflow at a time to measure real incremental lift
What happens when AI runs all but three of your Meta campaigns
Why connected TV and incrementality are eclipsing the click
The retargeting decision where AI flatly contradicted itself a week later
Where human oversight still matters most — and how to size it to risk

What to steal:
Build a trusted source of truth before you layer AI on top
Test AI one workflow at a time so you can actually attribute the lift
Point AI at analysis and reporting first; hand it bigger decisions later
Scale human-in-the-loop in proportion to dollars and customer exposure

For DTC operators managing multi-channel growth who need more output without adding headcount.

Timestamps:
0:00 AI Is Only As Good As The Data Behind It
2:03 How Enterprise Brands Roll Out AI Without Breaking Things
8:16 Why Some Brands Refuse To Use AI Creative
18:28 Inside Agentic Media Buying And AI-Powered Marketing Teams
30:03 The Biggest AI Opportunity Most Brands Are Missing

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Most founders want to be first in a category. Justin Soleimani and Zach Dannett did the opposite, and built Tumble into one of the standout washable rug brands without raising a dollar.

In this episode, the Tumble co-founders and Co-CEOs break down how they entered a category Ruggable created, fixed the product complaints they found buried in thousands of reviews, and validated the whole thing on Indiegogo before opening a Shopify store. Then they get into the part most founders never have to survive: moving their entire supply chain out of China in 30 days when tariffs went from 25% to 175%.

What's covered:
Why they launched with 120 SKUs and used crowdfunding as a demand-forecasting tool, not just a fundraiser
The lot-number QC system that let them kill 90%+ of product defects within two years
How pre-orders and Shopify payouts gave them a negative cash conversion cycle while bootstrapping
Why they didn't hire a single full-time employee until they were well past $20M in revenue
The China-to-Thailand pivot and accidental Canada launch during the tariff crisis
Their YouTube incrementality test that ran head-to-head against Meta, and tied
Justin's contrarian take on vibe coding: automate manual tasks, don't rip out your tech stack

Who this is for: Bootstrapped DTC founders, operators obsessed with margin and cash flow, and anyone building a physical-product brand in a competitive category.

What to steal: The crowdfunding-as-validation playbook, the lot-tracking QC system, and the asset-light structure that let them move a supply chain overnight.

Timestamps:
00:00 Why Great Competitors Make You Better
03:00 Launching 120 SKUs Through Crowdfunding
10:00 Product Feedback at Scale
18:00 Growing Past $20M With No Employees
23:00 Surviving Tariffs and Moving Manufacturing

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This Friday on AKNF we're handing over the feed for a special preview of The World's Best Email and Retention Podcast.

Your email account doesn't break all at once. It rots. Open rates slide, a quarter of your sends quietly route to spam, your list keeps growing while the people who actually click disappear. Jordan Gordon calls that a pooched account, and in this episode he lays out the full ten-step recovery his team runs when a brand hands them one.

If you own a DTC brand or run its email and retention, this is the playbook for the moment results go sluggish and your first instinct is to send more, the exact move that dug the hole.

What's inside:
How to tell whether you're in spam or your audience has simply checked out
Why opens are the weakest predictor of a future visit, and what to segment on instead
The rewarm vs. soft rewarm decision, and how 5,000 addresses beat 150,000
Why two campaigns a week plus real flows beats 22 sends a month
The email-only promotion that rebuilds engagement and deliverability at once
Treating SMS like a paid channel with a real cost per click
The stale-repeat-buyer metric that tells you recovery is working

Who this is for: DTC founders, operators, and email marketers inheriting or rescuing an underperforming Klaviyo account.

What to steal: the open-rate floor, the two-campaigns-a-week cadence, and the stale-repeat-buyer segment you can build in Klaviyo this afternoon.

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Timestamps:
00:00 Fixing a Pooched Email Account
03:02 Set Realistic Expectations for Recovery
07:43 When to Rewarm Your Email List
11:47 Why Opens Are a Bad Metric
18:36 Email-Only Promotions to Boost Engagement
24:25 The Stale Repeat Buyer Metric

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Recorded live at True Classic HQ in Calabasas the day before the Whalies, this episode brings together two of the leaders most aggressively reshaping how ecommerce gets built.

Ben Diamond is the CEO and co-founder of True Classic, the apparel brand that went from zero to over a billion in revenue in seven years and now ships to 190 countries. Maxx Blank is the co-founder and COO of Triple Whale, the AI operating system for ecommerce that he started with co-founder AJ Orbach, now running parts of media buying, creative, and conversion testing for over 60,000 brands.

The conversation gets into the move that's reshaping the category: True Classic now runs 100 percent of its Meta spend through an autonomous media buyer, Moby 2, with AI agents acting as a CMO and creative strategist, reallocating budget daily based on whether the brand needs profit, inventory clearance, or launch defense.

Maxx walks through what changed between Moby 1 and Moby 2, why the SaaS apocalypse doesn't touch infrastructure businesses, and the bigger industry shift from Software as a Service to Results as a Service. Ben talks about cutting millions in production costs by replacing in-office product photography with AI, the cultural mandate at True Classic to embrace AI, and where human judgment still belongs.

If you're an operator wondering how far to push agentic into your business, or a founder wondering what the next decade of ecommerce actually looks like, this is the conversation for you.

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Timestamps:
00:00 AI Is Transforming Ecommerce Faster Than Ever
02:14 What Moby 2 Actually Does for Brands
11:20 Why True Classic Went All-In on AI
16:10 Cutting Millions in Creative Production Costs
24:38 The Future of One-to-One Marketing at Scale
43:20 Predictions for the Future of Ecommerce and AI

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