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Episode Overview
On this Southwest Virginia Fishing Report from The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash checks in with guide Matt Reilly of Matt Reilly Fly Fishing for a late summer update on the New River system. After weeks of stable weather, low water and daytime highs in the mid-80s to 90s have kept conditions consistent, though Reilly notes this year's annual cicada hatch has behaved differently than usual, peaking early and sporadically rather than settling into the typical seasonal pattern.
Reilly explains that smallmouth bass are already showing the classic fall pattern of podding up into large schools, a shift that normally shows up later in September but appears to be arriving early this year. He walks through how to approach a pod of schooled-up bass methodically, since dense concentrations of fish create pockets of empty water elsewhere on the river, along with the double-edged nature of that competition: podded up fish can be more aggressive toward a fly, but spooking one can shut down an entire pod at once.
Key Takeaways
How to approach a school of podded up smallmouth bass methodically, since dense pods leave stretches of otherwise good habitat empty of fish.
Why competition within a schooled group of bass can make fish more aggressive toward a fly, while also raising the risk that spooking one fish shuts down the entire pod.
When to expect New River smallmouth to shift into fall schooling behavior.
Why an inconsistent cicada hatch reduces how tightly smallmouth key on bank-oriented bug lies, pushing more fish toward mid-river holding water instead.
When to plan a Southwest Virginia musky trip, since the season starts from early-to-mid November and runs into February on the New River system.

Techniques & Gear Covered
Reilly describes sight fishing low, clear New River water for smallmouth bass keyed on terrestrial activity, using a patient, methodical approach to cover water and locate schooled-up fish rather than blind casting likely spots. He details how a pod of bass concentrated around structure like a submerged log can produce competitive feeding, where fish race each other to a fly, but also how the same concentration means a single spooked fish can put the whole group down.
Locations & Species
The report centers on the New River system in Southwest Virginia, where low, warm late summer flows and consistent sunny weather have shaped both bug fishing for smallmouth bass and the approach to schooled-up fish. Smallmouth bass are the primary target discussed, with musky emerging as the seasonal focus starting in November. Reilly frames the current window as a seasonal hinge point, where the first hard frost or a tropical system moving through between early September and October could reshape both water levels and the terrestrial bite.
FAQ / Key Questions Answered
How is the cicada hatch behaving differently on the New River this year?
Reilly describes this year's annual cicada emergence as weaker and earlier than typical, with the main foraging event peaking two to three weeks ahead of the typical seasonal window. Since that early spike, cicada activity along the river has been inconsistent, giving this season's bug fishing a different rhythm than prior years even though overall fishing has remained good.
Why are Southwest Virginia smallmouth bass podded up into schools earlier than usual?
Reilly attributes the early schooling behavior to a combination of low water and the natural shortening of days. Fish that normally hold in consistent individual summer spots are already grouping into pods of several to more than a dozen bass, a pattern he typically doesn't see until a little later in the season.
How should anglers approach a pod of schooled-up smallmouth bass?
Reilly recommends staying patient and methodical, since a large concentration of fish in one spot means there will be stretches of otherwise good looking water with no fish present. He also cautions that competition among schooled bass can make them more likely to strike, but that spooking a single fish in a tightly packed group can put the entire pod down at once.
When does musky season start on the New River, and how far out is Reilly already booking?
Reilly expects to shift his focus fully to musky fishing by early-to-mid November, with the season running through February. As of this recording, he is already booked through roughly November 9th, underscoring how far in advance anglers should plan a musky trip.
What could disrupt the current stable fishing pattern before fall fully sets in?
Reilly points to two wildcards: a hurricane or tropical system passing through between early September and October that could dramatically change water levels, and the first hard frost, which effectively ends the terrestrial-driven bug bite and signals the true seasonal turn toward musky fishing.
Related Content
S8, Ep 61 - Smallmouth Chronicles: Matt Reilly's Secrets to Success in SW Virginia
S8, Ep 63 - Seasonal Shifts: Brian Shumaker's Smallmouth Strategies for Late Summer
S8, Ep 64 - Streamer Strategies: Ellis Ward's Late Day Fishing Tips for East Tennessee
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How do you time a haul so it actually adds line speed instead of working against your cast? On this Casting Angles installment of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City, North Carolina, break down the single biggest mistake anglers make when hauling: starting the pull too early. Recorded during the late summer trout doldrums, before delayed harvest waters reopen in early October, the conversation is built around a practical off-season drill list rather than an on-the-water report. Mac explains how nearly all hauling problems trace back to timing, pointing to Western Carolina University research he participated in that measured line speed jumping from roughly 78 mph to 264 mph at 30 feet once the haul was properly timed. He walks through the pre-haul rotation, the three-point grip and the late pinky pull that generate tip speed before the haul is even added, using a frisbee throw analogy to describe the wrist extension timing anglers need to feel. Mac and Marvin also cover two low tech practice tools, pantomiming the stroke and using a rubber band looped around both index fingers, that let anglers rehearse haul timing without a rod, line or water at all.
Key Takeaways
How to identify the single most common haul timing mistake: pulling too early, before the rod has finished its late rotation.
Why feeling real tension in the line hand during the haul is the clearest sign the timing is correct.
How to use a late pinky pull within a three-point grip to generate line speed before the haul is even added.
Why a rubber band looped around both index fingers is an effective at-home drill for internalizing haul timing.
When to prioritize haul timing practice: during the late summer trout doldrums before delayed harvest season opens.
How pantomiming the casting stroke without a line, rod or water builds the muscle memory that carries over to the real thing.

Techniques & Gear Covered
The conversation centers on haul timing rather than a specific fly pattern or rig, walking through the mechanics of the pre-haul rotation: a late pinky pull within Mac's three-point grip that produces most of the tip speed before the line hand ever adds a haul. Mac frames the correct hauling moment using a keyboard key analogy, a series of backslashes building tension, then a single forward slash as the release, and a frisbee throwing comparison to describe the wrist extension timing that governs both vertical and horizontal casts. He also references controlled line speed testing conducted at Western Carolina University that quantified the difference a properly timed haul makes at 30 feet of line. For gear-free practice, Mac recommends pantomiming the stroke and using a simple rubber band around both index fingers to rehearse the keep-hands-together-then-explode-apart timing that a haul requires.
FAQ / Key Questions Answered
Why do most anglers haul too early, and what causes it?
Mac Brown estimates that roughly 95 percent of anglers begin the pull before the rod has finished its rotation, a leftover habit from throwing sports where more effort is applied earlier rather than later. He says the haul needs to come "late, late, late," timed to the pre-haul rotation, a late pinky pull within a three-point grip, so the pull adds to speed the rod tip has already generated rather than fighting against it.
How can an angler tell if their haul timing is correct?
Marvin offers a kinesthetic cue that Mac confirms: if you don't feel real tension in the line hand while hauling, you're hauling too soon. Done correctly, the pull should feel like it is adding noticeable resistance late in the stroke rather than an easy tug at the start.
What practice drills can build haul timing without a rod or line?
Mac recommends two off-water drills. The first is pantomiming the full casting stroke, including the elbow drop that starts the rotation, in an armchair with just the rod butt, something anglers can do while watching football in the fall. The second is looping a rubber band around both index fingers to physically feel the keep-hands-together-then-separate-explosively timing that a properly timed haul requires.
How much line speed does a properly timed haul actually add?
Citing testing from Western Carolina University, Mac notes that without any haul, line speed at 30 feet measured around 78 miles per hour; with a properly timed haul, that number jumped to roughly 264 miles per hour. He points to that gap as the first place anglers should look when they are struggling with wind or distance, particularly in saltwater.
When is the best time of year to work on haul timing?
Mac and Marvin identify the late summer trout doldrums, the stretch before delayed harvest waters reopen in early October, as an ideal window for this kind of practice. With trout fishing slow, anglers can use evening hours to work on hauling in the yard or a park rather than on the water.
Related Content
S8, Ep 65 - Mastering the Roll Cast: Mac Brown's Essential Techniques for Challenging Waters
S8, Ep 49 - Mastering the Cast: Mac Brown's Insights on Shooting Line
S8, Ep 45 - Casting Fundamentals: Mac Brown on the Art of the Reach Mend
S8, Ep 7 - Casting Foundations and Fishing Frameworks: Insights with Mac Brown
S8, Ep 60 - The Bare Necessities: Mac Brown's Guide to Minimalist Fly Fishing Gear
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On this episode of The Articulate Fly, Trout Unlimited President and CEO Chris Wood returns to discuss the fight to save the Roadless Rule, the 25-year-old policy now facing a full rescission by the U.S. Forest Service. With a public comment period closing September 21st, host Marvin Cash and Chris cover why this fight matters well beyond hunters and anglers. Chris, who helped write the original 2001 Roadless Rule as a Forest Service policy staffer under Chief Mike Dombeck, walks through its origins, the parallel legislative attack led by Senator Mike Lee and why the rescission would open 44 million acres of backcountry to new road construction. The conversation ranges from Idaho and Utah's grazing and oil and gas leasing inside roadless areas to the outsized role these lands play as cold, clean water sources for the Tongass National Forest, Colorado's greenback cutthroat trout habitat and Idaho's bull trout and Chinook and steelhead runs. Chris also details recent Trout Unlimited conservation wins, including record coho returns from the North Coast Coho Project and a deal to acquire four dams on Maine's Kennebec River to open habitat for Atlantic salmon. The episode closes with concrete advice on how anglers can make their voices heard before the comment deadline.
Key Takeaways
Why the Roadless Rule's rescission would strip protections from 44 million acres of backcountry that provide the coldest, cleanest water for downstream trout and salmon fisheries.
How to submit an effective public comment before the September 21st deadline, including personalizing it with a specific roadless area or species that matters to you.
Why the "de facto wilderness" argument against roadless areas doesn't hold up, since these lands already permit off-road vehicle use, grazing, oil and gas leasing and mining.
When a more deliberate, iterative rulemaking process (like the state-specific rules Idaho and Colorado developed under the Bush administration) makes more sense than a blanket rescission.
Why building a broader coalition beyond traditional hunters and anglers is becoming essential to winning public lands fights in the current political environment.

Locations & Species
The episode centers on the 58.5 million acres of national forest backcountry protected by the 2001 Roadless Rule, with particular attention to Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Montana, Colorado and Alaska's Tongass National Forest. These roadless areas supply drinking water for more than 40 million Americans and serve as critical, contiguous habitat: 70% of Colorado's greenback cutthroat trout, 68% of Idaho's bull trout and 70-75% of the Tongass' and Idaho's Pacific salmon and steelhead populations depend on habitat found within roadless areas.
FAQ / Key Questions Answered
What is the Roadless Rule, and why is it being challenged right now?
The 2001 Roadless Rule bars new road construction across 58.5 million acres of national forest. On August 18th, the U.S. Forest Service proposed rescinding it entirely, with a public comment period ending September 21st. A parallel legislative effort led by Senator Mike Lee also seeks to eliminate the rule and bar any future administration from reinstating it.
Why do roadless areas matter for trout and salmon fishing specifically?
Roadless areas are the source of the coldest, cleanest water for the larger rivers downstream that support wild trout and salmon. They protect outsized shares of at-risk populations, including most of Colorado's greenback cutthroat trout, Idaho's bull trout and the Tongass National Forest's Pacific salmon and steelhead runs.
Isn't a roadless area basically the same as a designated wilderness area?
No. Unlike wilderness, roadless areas already permit off-road vehicle use (33% of all motorized trails in the 12 Western states are in roadless areas), oil and gas leasing, grazing and mining, so the argument that they're "de facto wilderness" locked away from any use doesn't hold up.
How can anglers make their comments count before the September 21st deadline?
Personalizing a comment with a specific roadless area, species or memory that matters to you is more effective than a generic form submission. Comments can be submitted through Trout Unlimited, and the goal is to exceed the 1.6 million comments the original rule drew 25 years ago.
What happens if the rescission goes through anyway?
Advocates expect the rescission to face extensive litigation. Continued advocacy and public pressure are seen as important groundwork for reversing the rescission under a future administration if needed.
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S2, Ep 40 - Chris Wood of Trout Unlimited
S7, Ep 98 - The Fight for Our Future: Land Tawney on Grassroots Advocacy and Public Lands
S7, Ep 105 - Changing the Narrative: Robbie Kroger's Mission with The Origins Foundation
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Helpful Episode Chapters
0:00 Introduction
3:56 Why the Rule Matters
10:38 How It All Started
18:18 Roadless Areas Aren’t Wilderness
25:26 Habitat Benefits for All
32:41 The Agency’s Staffing Crisis
39:25 Why Nuance Got Lost
43:01 Broadening Conservation Messaging
45:34 How to Take Action
51:20 TU’s On-the-Ground Wins

Episode Overview
How do you build a roll cast good enough to effectively fish tight, brush-choked mountain streams where there's no room for a backcast at all? On this Casting Angles installment of The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash and Master Casting Instructor Mac Brown of Mac Brown Fly Fish in Bryson City, North Carolina, break down what actually separates a "world class" roll cast from one anglers only think is dialed in. Mac frames the roll cast as the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free tool for the tight, overgrown trout streams typical of the Appalachians and mid-Atlantic, where casters rarely have the 15 to 20 feet of clearance needed for a conventional backcast. The conversation works through the mechanics of the shallow D loop, the critical role of a properly matched double taper fly line over a weight forward, and the anchor placement drills anglers can run in the late summer off-season before trout fishing picks back up. Mac also covers how to reposition the D loop to neutralize wind and why timing tightens up considerably when casting upstream and downstream on moving water. Whether an angler works small freestone streams in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park or any other tight, overgrown trout water, the episode offers a practical framework for turning a serviceable roll cast into a genuinely reliable one.
Key Takeaways
How to build a genuinely long roll cast by prioritizing precise anchor placement before adding power, since consistent anchor placement handles roughly 90 percent of the battle once the cast becomes dynamic.
Why a double taper fly line, not a weight forward, is the right gear choice for roll casting, since a weight forward's short head leaves too much thin running line at the rod tip to load the cast properly.
How to throw a shallow D loop that occupies only 3 to 4 feet of space behind the caster, making it possible to fish brush-choked mountain streams with no conventional backcast room.
When to set the D loop on the downwind side of the rod to turn wind from a safety and casting problem into a non-issue.
Why timing becomes more critical on upstream and downstream roll casts, since moving water pulls the D loop away from its initial placement.
How to use late summer off-season evenings to practice anchor placement in knee-deep water before trout season demands the skill on the water.

Techniques & Gear Covered
The episode centers on roll cast mechanics, starting with the shallow D loop: a compact, low-power pickup that occupies only 3 to 4 feet of space behind the caster rather than a full V loop, making it usable in the tight streamside brush typical of southern Appalachian trout water. Mac ties gear directly to technique, explaining why a double taper line outperforms a weight forward for roll casting, since the mass needed to load the cast sits near the rod tip rather than in a short head backed by thin running line. The conversation also covers anchor placement as a stand-alone practice skill, with Mac recommending anglers wade in knee-deep water and repeatedly set the line so the anchor lands close to a rod length away, refining accuracy independent of live fishing pressure. Additional technique notes include adjusting D loop size and forward loop size for distance and control, positioning the D loop on the downwind side of the rod for safer, easier wind management, and the added timing demands of roll casting upstream and downstream where current pulls the D loop after its initial placement.
FAQ / Key Questions Answered
What is a shallow D loop and why does it matter for trout streams?
A shallow D loop is a compact roll cast that energizes the line but backs off power quickly enough to occupy only 3 to 4 feet of space behind the caster, rather than a full V loop that might need 20 feet or more. It matters because tight, brush-lined Park and Appalachian streams rarely offer enough clearance for a conventional backcast, making the shallow D loop the tool that keeps anglers fishing productively in that water.
Why does fly line taper matter so much for a long roll cast?
A double taper line carries its mass in the belly of the line near the rod tip, which is the portion doing the work in a roll cast. A weight forward line, by contrast, has a short head followed by thin running line, so attempting a long roll cast with a weight forward often fails because there isn't enough mass positioned where it's needed to load the rod.
How should anglers handle wind when roll casting?
Mac recommends setting up the D loop on the downwind side of the rod as a simple, repeatable adjustment. This keeps the line moving away from the body rather than into it, turning wind from a safety concern and casting obstacle into a non-issue without requiring any additional technique changes.
When is the best time to practice roll cast placement?
Late summer, when water temperatures are too warm for productive trout fishing across the Southeast, is an ideal window to practice. Mac suggests wading in knee-deep water and repeatedly practicing where the anchor lands, aiming for a placement close to a rod length away, so that accuracy is dialed in before the cast needs to perform under real fishing pressure.
Why does timing become more critical on upstream and downstream roll casts?
When casting upstream or downstream rather than across the current, moving water actively pulls the D loop away from its initial placement. That added variable means anglers need tighter timing between forming the D loop and executing the forward stroke than they would casting across slower or stiller water.
Related Content
S8, Ep 49 - Mastering the Cast: Mac Brown's Insights on Shooting Line
S8, Ep 60 - The Bare Necessities: Mac Brown's Guide to Minimalist Fly Fishing Gear
S8, Ep 57 - The Power of Habit: Mac Brown's Strategies for Fishing Success
S7, Ep 20 - Practice Makes Perfect: Mac Brown on Mastering Casting Techniques
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How should anglers pick streamer color when the light drops out on an East Tennessee tailwater? On this East Tennessee Fishing Report from The Articulate Fly fly fishing podcast, host Marvin Cash checks in with guide Ellis Ward for a conditions update on the Watauga River and the South Holston River after an unusually wet stretch pulled the region out of a prolonged post-Helene drought. Ellis walks through how the sudden swing from months of low water to near-constant rain has scrambled the normal dam release schedule, turning a predictable one-to-six-o'clock Watauga generation window into something closer to ten-to-six or noon-to-nine depending on the day, while the South Holston has only recently returned to regular releases after the TVA system spent the better part of a year recovering from drought. That inconsistency has made dry fly fishing unpredictable, so Ellis has leaned harder into dirty water streamer fishing, night fishing and mousing to keep clients on fish. The back half of the episode tackles a listener question on late-day streamer selection: Ellis explains that a fly's color has almost nothing to do with how a trout perceives it in low light or off-color water, since a backlit fly reads only as a silhouette regardless of hue. Instead, he breaks down why opacity and water-column position, not color, drive strikes when the sun drops or the water turns dirty, using a four-inch Drunk and Disorderly as his low light standard.
Key Takeaways
How to read Watauga and South Holston release schedules when heavy rain pushes actual generation windows well beyond their posted baseline times.
Why a streamer's color becomes irrelevant to trout in backlit or off-color water, since profile and opacity determine what the fish actually sees from below.
When to switch to a bigger, opaque streamer fished higher in the water column for low light or dirty water strikes.
How positioning a streamer near the surface exploits the same predatory "kill shot" instinct anglers see when a big trout follows a fly up before committing.

Techniques & Gear Covered
Ellis breaks down a practical framework for low light and off-color water streamer fishing: when light is reduced by cloud cover, a low sun angle or dirty water, color stops mattering because a backlit fly is seen only in silhouette, so the two variables that matter are opacity (how fully the fly blocks light) and where it sits in the water column. He favors densely packed materials such as deer hair or craft fur over sparsely tied bucktail for maximum light-blocking, contrasting a sparse bucktail fly with a Craft Fur Changer to illustrate how much more effectively the denser material blocks light once it's wet and compressed. He fishes that fly higher in the water column so a predatory trout gets a clean, unobstructed shot at it rather than having to hunt it out of deeper, murkier water. His go-to for these conditions is a four-inch Drunk and Disorderly, fished in white, yellow or tan with some flash since color reads as irrelevant to the fish in these conditions.
Locations & Species
This report covers the Watauga River and the South Holston River tailwaters in East Tennessee, both part of the TVA's 32-dam reservoir and tailwater system. The primary target species is brown trout, with the discussion centered on dry fly fishing during stable release windows and streamer fishing when water runs high or dirty. Seasonally, the region is climbing out of a prolonged drought that followed Hurricane Helene, with persistent heavy rainfall now producing extended and inconsistent dam releases, flash flooding on Watauga tributaries and a tradeoff between stained water (better streamer fishing) and clearer water (better dry fly fishing).
FAQ / Key Questions Answered
What color streamer should I fish in low light conditions?
Color is largely irrelevant once light is reduced by clouds, a low sun angle or dirty water, because a fly viewed from below against a backlit sky reads only as a silhouette. Instead, focus on opacity (how completely the fly blocks light) and fish it higher in the water column where a trout can see and commit to it more easily.
Why doesn't fly color matter to trout in dirty or backlit water?
When an object is backlit or viewed through off-color water, black, white and every color in between look essentially the same dark shape, since there isn't enough light transmission for the fish to distinguish hue. What a trout actually keys on in these conditions is the fly's profile and how much light it blocks, not its color.
How should I position my streamer in the water column during low light or stained water conditions?
Fish it higher in the water column rather than dredging it deep, since a trout has an easier time targeting prey it can silhouette against the surface than something buried in dark, off-color water. This also mimics how predatory fish naturally corral baitfish toward the surface for an easier, more effective strike.
How have this season's dam release schedules on the Watauga and the South Holston been affected by heavy rain?
After a long post-Helene drought, persistent heavy rainfall has pushed the Watauga well beyond its normal generation window, turning its typical one-to-six-o'clock release into stretches closer to ten-to-six or noon-to-nine depending on the day. The South Holston only resumed regular releases in the past couple of weeks after the broader TVA system spent months recovering from low water, making dry fly fishing inconsistent this summer.
Related Content
S8, Ep 50 - Navigating Summer Waters: Ellis Ward on Trout, Musky and the Art of the Evening Bite
S8, Ep 37 - Big Water, Big Fish: Ellis Ward's Strategies for Streamer Fishing Success
S7, Ep 45 - Navigating the Waters: Streamers and Strategies in East Tennessee with Ellis Ward
S6, Ep 128 - Catch Big Fish: Ellis Ward's Insider Tips for East Tennessee Anglers
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