The Marketing Millennials

Want a reason to be optimistic about the future of Marketing jobs? Duarte Garrido, Co-Founder of DOJO AI, makes a pretty great case for why great Marketers are about to matter more than ever. He ran Marketing for over a decade at giants like Coca-Cola and Sky, then set out to rebuild the broken Martech stack from scratch.

He and Daniel talk about the difference between automation and intelligence, why Duarte can smell AI copy from 10 miles away, and why he says everything AI touches becomes a commodity...except this 1 thing it still can't do.

If you're a Marketer who wants to use AI without turning your work into slop, this episode is for YOU.

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AI summaries pull an average of just 29 words from your email, so every word in that window counts. Jay's formula for the first 150 to 200 characters is action plus product plus deadline, things like "Shop 40% off all Nike running shoes through Sunday at midnight" or "Register for the 2027 HR compliance briefing by Friday," and testing it is driving a 19% increase in click through rates. Bullet points matter even more: bulleted content gets pulled into AI summaries 77% of the time in Gmail, 84% in Apple Mail, and 92% in Microsoft Copilot.

Daniel argues Marketing headlines need to evolve too, since vague hooks like "this is crazy" lose their punch once AI strips away the context. He and Jay also unpack a MediaPost survey showing over 70% of people are comfortable with AI scanning their inbox for deals and recommendations, though Daniel notes businesses are far warier about AI reading emails with internal strategy. The bigger idea: email Marketing is being rebuilt around what AI can actually read, and the prettiest template loses if it's not structured to get pulled into a summary. If you want the exact formulas and formatting Marketers are using to win in AI summaries right now, this is the episode for you.

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After years of digital everything, audiences are craving something real again…and Haley Janisch knows exactly how to deliver it.

As the Head of Creator Community at Kit, Haley has built experiences like Craft and Commerce and Kit Studios that connect creators beyond the screen.

In this episode, Haley joins Tamara to unpack the art and strategy behind unforgettable events. They explore why offline connection matters more than ever, how to design experiences that stick in people’s minds, and the small details that make a huge difference.

You’ll also hear the story behind ConvertKit’s Taylor Swift–themed studios, why vulnerability creates stronger communities, and how smart marketers should rethink the ROI of events.

If you’ve ever wondered how to build moments people can feel (not just attend) this episode is your blueprint.

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How do you land on a name when you're staring down fifty thousand options, and none of them feel right?

Katie Miserany, Chief Communications Officer and Global Head of Marketing at SurveyMonkey, just led the naming and go-to-market for Launchpad, SurveyMonkey's new suite of market research tools built for Marketers with zero research background. Katie joined the company on the communications side, worked her way up to Chief of Staff, and took over the newly combined Marketing and Communications function about a year ago.

And, Katie breaks down the six-step framework her team used to name Launchpad, why they started with a brief instead of a brainstorm, and how deciding who the product was NOT for (professional researchers who could build it themselves in SurveyMonkey) sharpened the name, the positioning, and the entire go-to-market. She also walks through how the internal debate between "SurveyMonkey Launch" and "SurveyMonkey Methods" got settled, not by whoever had the loudest opinion in the room, but by 4,500 survey responses.

Plus, Katie tells the story of SurveyMonkey's 2021 rebrand attempt, when the company tried to shake its "silly" name to look more enterprise ready, and why the new CEO reversed that decision in 2023 and leaned back into the brand equity everyone already knew. Her take: with buyers asking ChatGPT and Claude about you before they ever search your name, brand and storytelling matter more now, not less.

If you're a Marketer who's tired of guessing whether your next name, headline, or campaign will land, this is the episode for YOU.

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AI is already reading your emails before your subscribers do, and if you're not writing for it, your message might not make it to the inbox at all.

Jay breaks down "live text," the actual HTML text in your email that AI tools like Gmail summaries and Microsoft Copilot scan to build inbox previews and rewrite preheaders. Copilot alone just hit 30 million paid users, up 10 million in a single month, so this isn't a niche problem. Jay's rule: the first 150 characters of your email need to carry your most important, most specific information (webinar details, offer terms, whatever the ask is) because that's the window AI summaries pull from. Images and JPEGs don't count, and alt text doesn't count as live text either, no matter what you've been told. He predicts that within six months, half of all preheaders will be AI generated instead of whatever Marketers actually wrote.

Daniel adds that the preheader isn't dead, it's just unreliable now. His fix: write your opening body copy so it echoes what you'd want the preheader to say, so if AI does pull from it, the message still lands the way you intended. He also flags that this isn't just an email problem. The same summarization behavior is starting to show up in text messages, and Marketers need to start thinking about how their SMS gets condensed too.

The bigger idea: the prettiest, most designed email templates are losing right now. If AI can't read the words inside your design, it doesn't matter how good it looks. Email Marketing is quietly reverting to a text-first format, closer to how it worked 10 to 15 years ago.

If you want your emails to survive the next wave of inbox AI, this is the episode for you.

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Podcast: Do This, Not That

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