The Next Level

Today Sarah and JVL try to figure out who’s worse: John Fetterman or Susan Collins. (Give us your answer in the comments.) Also, the Big Orange Arch is coming. And we chew over Doug Sosnik’s recommendations for the Democratic party. It’s a big show.
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Plus: it’s almost Book Week!
Don’t let Teddy Cancun and High Life Clarence win. Order a copy of Sarah’s book now. (If you haven’t already, I mean.)
How to Eat an Elephant drops on Tuesday and the Best Friends really want to get it to #1 on the NYT best seller list. To do that, we have to unseat... a biography of Clarence Thomas by Ted Effing Cruz.
Buy it on Bookshop.org: https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-to-eat-an-elephant-one-voter-at-a-time-sarah-longwell/6a0996cb43d2ef5b?ean=9781250464170&bkshp-astro=t
Buy it on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/How-Eat-Elephant-Voter-Time/dp/125046417X
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Show notes:
See Bill Kristol and Doug Sosnik’s conversation: https://conversationswithbillkristol.org/conversation/doug-sosnik-on-two-very-different-elections-2026-and-2028/

Tim, Sarah, and JVL discuss the U.S. Supreme Court letting Trump’s ballroom go ahead (for now), why JVL thinks John Roberts is the Susan Collins of the Supreme Court, and whether Sarah is warming up to tearing down the ballroom in 2029. Plus: Trump says Kristen Welker should be punished for pointing out that his endorsed candidates are losing more often, and JVL wonders whether Republicans will have to be an anti-Canada party now. Later: The gang discusses Bari Weiss’s kinda racist headline about Abdul El-Sayed’s past tweets, why elected Republicans around the country (but especially Ken Paxton) are feeling depressed about their midterm prospects, and an absolutely wild story about a Florida congressional candidates in today’s Morning Shots.
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Show links:
Read JVL’s Triad (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/lake-america-and-the-dogma-of-trumpism)
Read Andrew Egger’s Morning Shots (https://www.thebulwark.com/p/we-found-her-the-most-absurd-general-election-candidate-te-brown-illinois-florida-congress-fraud-primary-election-putin-whale-orca-polar-bear-russia-ukraine)

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- Full episode on YouTube: https://youtu.be/py-SBnizZ3U
- Full episode on Substack: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/mark-cuban-thinks-he-could-run-as
JVL is out this week, so Tim and Sarah discuss Mark Cuban’s comments that he could run for president as a Republican (and why Tim isn’t buying it), and Sarah’s conversation with the New York Times discussing her book, and what Democratic voters REALLY want right now. They also discuss the race Rob Sand is running for governor in Iowa. Behind the paywall: Kamala Harris’s 2028 strategy, Hasan Piker discourse, and a fun mailbag segment.
Show notes:
Read Sarah's conversation with the New York Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/28/opinion/democrats-fighters-trump-republicans.html
Come hang with the gang—Sarah, Tim, JVL, Sam and friends—during our Bulwark LIVE: Good Fight Tour this October. Tickets are on sale now at: https://thebulwark.com/Events
Let's be together.

Tim, Sarah, and JVL are back together for a JAM-PACKED show. They discuss:
-Dolly Parton's passing and her legacy.
-America's war (not the Iran war, our trade war with Canada), and why the rest of the world can't count on American anymore--even if Democrats win in 2028.
-Sarah's Focus Group Podcast episode from Georgia--which Tim found pleasant (for once).
-The South Carolina primary runoff, and whether having Donald Trump's endorsement is enough to put a political novice in the Senate.
-The first U.S. measles deaths of the year in Pennsylvania.
-Does the Trump administration want to demolish the Kennedy Center? Do WE want them to?
-Why MAGA media is talking about the WNBA and trans issues so much.
-Finally: They discuss JVL's Monday Triad about Trump's completely crazy relationship with Natalie Harp.
Read JVL's Triad
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Sarah and JVL did a BIG show today. Sample awesome:
Sen. Darlene Graham says that voters in South Carolina don’t care about Taiwan—they care about boys playing girls sports.
Spoiler: There are exactly zero (0) boys in South Carolina playing girls sports.
Top CIA analyst Julia Curlee served Trump, Biden, and then Trump again honorably. Then she was fired because some MAGA influencers discovered she was trans.
What duty do civil servants owe the country which elected Trump for the second time?
Is Jon Ossoff the one we’ve been waiting for? Sarah has him in her Big Four. And you’ll never guess who the other three are.
People hate Data Centers. So where is the juice for Democrats?
JVL can’t stop/won’t stop beating on tankies and greens.
And the birth of a new feature: Pickleball talk!
We want to hear from you about any/all of this. Let’s ride.

Sarah, Tim, Sam and JVL are coming to South Carolina, North Carolina, and Atlanta in October for Bulwark LIVE. We’re bringing lots of friends.

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