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The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau
The Symbolic World
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    457 - Backrooms (2026): A Strange Return to Normal

    18/06/2026 | 24 mins.
    Backrooms (2026) is a recent horror/thriller film based on a creepypasta —an internet urban legend— that emerged around the time of the Covid lockdowns. A man discovers an infinite, labyrinthine expanse of "backrooms" that becomes increasingly disturbing.

    In this video, I analyze the symbolism of the film and explore the deeper reasons why it is so popular, outshining major blockbusters with much larger budgets and marketing campaigns. Enjoy.

    YouTube version: https://youtu.be/ZK6NaFsBGaM

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    456 - Gavin Ortlund - Who Can Be Saved?

    16/06/2026 | 1h 46 mins.
    I had a discussion with Gavin Ortlund about the Orthodox Church's position on salvation outside the church.

    YouTube version: https://youtu.be/RtC8ENpbOW4

    Buy Little Red Riding Hood now during the month of June and get the audiobook with for free: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/

    Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel 

    Timestamps
    00:00 Introduction and background to the discussion
    03:08 Steelmanning each other’s positions
    04:12 Gavin summarizes the Orthodox view of salvation
    05:37 Jonathan explains salvation as healing and theosis
    06:36 Normative and non-normative ways of salvation
    08:13 Jonathan summarizes Gavin’s historical argument
    10:53 Gavin clarifies his thesis about Orthodoxy, Catholics, and Protestants
    16:40 Is the modern Orthodox view a return to earlier tradition?
    18:32 Gavin explains why the 9th–19th century period matters
    20:20 Disagreement over whether individuals can be declared damned
    22:57 Jonathan responds on Orthodox theological boundaries
    24:54 Debate over the 9th century and the Photian schism
    31:32 The question: Is Gavin a Christian brother?
    38:37 The Synod of Jerusalem and Protestant theology
    41:36 Jonathan reads from the Synod of Jerusalem
    43:56 Gavin responds to Jonathan’s use of an old blog post
    46:42 Gavin outlines the Synod’s language about Protestants
    49:12 Jonathan argues synods define norms, not individual destinies
    52:28 Gavin challenges the “normative” reading of the Synod
    55:20 Normative texts, dogmatic authority, and qualifications
    58:13 Theophan the Recluse and hope for the non-Orthodox
    01:04:16 St. Philaret of Moscow and leaving souls to God’s mercy
    01:09:35 Protestant missions in Orthodox lands
    01:11:23 Gavin defends Protestant missionary theology
    01:13:30 Jonathan critiques Protestant evangelism and denominationalism
    01:16:21 The Eucharist, communion, and institutional exclusivism
    01:18:16 Gavin explains why he is not Orthodox
    01:20:44 Jonathan on Christ’s presence and God’s desire to save all
    01:21:59 Are Protestants categorized like Buddhists or Muslims?
    01:25:36 Salvation as transformation into the image of Christ
    01:28:55 Theophan’s advice: focus on your own salvation
    01:30:06 Personal holiness and evangelism
    01:32:18 Calvinism, evangelism, and divine decree
    01:36:52 Predestination, foreknowledge, and the River of Fire
    01:39:59 Closing the theological discussion
    01:40:33 Gavin’s apology and reflections on online discourse
    01:42:59 A call for patient Protestant-Orthodox dialogue
    01:44:12 Jonathan’s closing thanks

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    Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ 
    My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
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    455 - Disclosure Day: The Last Boomer Propaganda Movie

    11/06/2026 | 22 mins.
    I went to see Spielberg’s Disclosure Day and found myself watching a strange, late-stage piece of boomer propaganda about aliens, media, religion, and who we are supposed to trust. Here are my thoughts on the symbolism of the film.

    Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/SBGPLaGfVTc

    Buy Little Red Riding Hood now during the month of June and get the audiobook with for free: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/

    Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel 

    🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe
    💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com
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    🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:
    -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5
    -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 

    Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ 
    My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
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    454 - The Enemy Who Pretends to Be Your Friend

    09/06/2026 | 18 mins.
    We often think of enemies as those who attack us openly, but fairy tales also warn us about another kind of enemy: the one who comes close, pretends to be our friend, and destroys from within. I also discuss how this pattern appears in Scripture, culture, identity, and even technology, and why discernment is so important in our current moment.

    Buy Little Red Riding Hood now during the month of June and get the audiobook with for free: https://store.thesymbolicworld.com/ 

    YouTube version: https://youtu.be/U8VXqPX1-0Q

    Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel 

    🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe
    💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com
    🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau  

    🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:
    -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5
    -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 

    Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ 
    My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
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    453 - Seraphim Hamilton - Isaiah: The Fifth Gospel

    02/06/2026 | 49 mins.
    I’m joined again by Seraphim Hamilton to discuss his upcoming Symbolic World course on Isaiah, beginning June 15th. We talk about why Isaiah is central for understanding Christ in the Old Testament, the relationship between prophecy, exile, the suffering servant, the gentile nations, and the deep symbolic unity between Scripture, liturgy, and creation.

    Join Seraphim Hamilton in studying the Book of Isaiah this June. Register now to get 15% off before the early bird sale ends: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-fifth-gospel 

    YouTube version: https://youtu.be/lPpBFh2-V90

    Timestamps:
    00:00 - Coming up
    00:47 - Intro music
    01:01 - Introducing Seraphim Hamilton and the Isaiah course
    01:48 - Seminary, liturgy, and returning to Scripture
    02:39 - Why Isaiah?
    03:02 - Isaiah as a Christological book
    05:27 - High Christology in the Old Testament
    06:52 - Leviathan, Revelation, and the Angel of the Lord
    07:51 - Isaiah 27 and the serpent of Genesis
    08:22 - Sennacherib, Hezekiah, and the Angel of the Lord
    10:51 - Are Old Testament prophecies taken out of context?
    11:18 - Exile, Assyria, Babylon, and biblical prophecy
    14:57 - Course promo: The Fifth Gospel
    15:47 - Isaiah 14 and the fall of Satan
    16:44 - The king of Babylon and the Daystar
    19:06 - Isaiah 14, Isaiah 53, and the suffering servant
    22:46 - Venus, Lucifer, and Christ as opposite images
    24:22 - Angels, humanity, and the transfer of authority
    25:57 - Is the suffering servant Israel or the Messiah?
    26:23 - The Messiah as the son of David
    28:50 - The servant, the seed, and the restoration of Israel
    32:13 - How the nations participate in the promise
    32:41 - The Old Testament and the redemption of the nations
    34:54 - The mountain of the Lord and divine fire
    37:34 - The heavenly Jerusalem and Isaiah 60
    38:02 - Isaiah 59, incarnation, and the redemption of Israel
    40:19 - The nations coming to honor the Jewish Messiah
    43:14 - What the Isaiah class hopes to offer
    43:56 - Seeing Christ disclosed in the Old Testament
    46:36 - Symbolism, the Fathers, and the tight weave of Scripture
    47:44 - Course details: five classes on Isaiah
    48:49 - Closing and where to sign up

    🔓 Become a patron to support us and unlock exclusive monthly symbolism content: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe
    💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com
    🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau  

    🎧 Listen to and review The Symbolic World podcast:
    -Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0gI8bUwPtT3gkduHqNh6M5
    -Apple podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-symbolic-world/id1386867488 

    Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ 
    My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson: https://matthewwilkinson.net/
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About The Symbolic World
Jonathan Pageau looks at symbolism in all its forms, from its source in sacred stories and images to contemporary culture and ultimately how it shapes the world we encounter.
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