Ambition 2.0

Repeat after us: You can love your job and still be a workaholic. In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda Goetz sits down with Dr. Malissa Clark, a professor at the University of Georgia, Director of the Healthy Work Lab, and author of Never Not Working: Why the Always-On Culture Is Bad for Business—and How to Fix It, to break down what workaholism can look like in real life (spoiler: it’s not just about working long hours). They get into the sneaky “working light” tasks that we tell ourselves don’t count as work (like sending emails while watching TV or checking Slack between errands), how leaders accidentally create always-on teams, and so much more.  If you’ve ever felt guilty while resting, struggled to stop thinking about work, or worried that your ambition is turning into something unhealthy, this episode is worth a listen.  In this episode, you’ll learn:  00:00 Intro  01:33 What workaholism is (and the four components) 04:32 Early signs your work habits are becoming unhealthy 07:21 What to do if you think you might be a workaholic  11:23 How leaders unintentionally create “always-on” teams 13:26 How to bring boundaries up with your boss 20:46 Redesigning work culture 24:04 Surviving a 40-hour workweek without losing your life 32:56 Rapid fire: urgent emails, Slack, PTO, and commute baths GUEST LINKS Read Never Not Working: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647825096  https://www.malissaclark.com/  FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/  ABOUT AMBITION 2.0Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Alexa von Tobel—the founder of LearnVest (where she raised $75M and successfully sold it to Northwestern Mutual) and current founder and managing partner of Inspired Capital—to unpack the resilient mindset that has shaped her successful career, from founder to venture-capital veteran.Alexa dropped out of Harvard Business School and poured her life savings into LearnVest, a multimillion-dollar business idea—despite warnings from nearly everyone around her that she was making a big mistake. She did it in the middle of the 2008 economic recession, no less. Alexa shares why her 90-year-old self (and the fear of regret) fuels her to take big risks, the qualities she looks for when investing in a founder, and practical tips for pitching your business to VCs for the first time. She also shares an unpopular truth: if you’re becoming an entrepreneur for the status or the “quick money,” it’s going to be a rough ride. There’s only one reason why you should start your own business: because you can’t do any other job. Key takeaways Regret is usually about the swings you didn’t take—not the mistakes you made. Raising capital gets easier when you combine mission + proof + obsessive category insight. Feedback is a competitive edge (and ego is the fastest way to lose it). Entrepreneurship shouldn’t be “cool”—it should be inevitable for the person doing it. Sustainable ambition comes from doing what you love + what you’re excellent at, then turning the intensity toward your whole life. 00:00 Intro 02:46 Reclaiming ambition as a positive force 04:11 The LearnVest origin story and dropping out during the economic downturn of 2008 07:53 Raising $75M and the difference between capital vs. “world-class” capital 15:24 What founders get wrong in pitches (and what great answers sound like) 24:20 Identity beyond titles, exits, and the founder doom spiral 33:54 Speed round: The one quality she looks for before investing in founders (and the one that’s a major red flag)  GUEST LINKS IG: https://www.instagram.com/alexavontobel/?hl=en  Listen to her podcast here: https://www.inspiredcapital.com/content/podcasts  Learn more about Inspired Capital: https://www.inspiredcapital.com  FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/  ABOUT AMBITION 2.0Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, Amanda Goetz sits down with psychotherapist and Toxic Productivity author Israa Nasir to unpack why so many high-achieving women feel constantly behind, overwhelmed, and unable to rest—even when they’re doing “everything right.” Israa explains how productivity often becomes a coping mechanism for shame, fear, and feeling “not good enough,” and why no system, planner, or habit hack can fix that. Together, they talk about the early warning signs of toxic productivity (including resentment and the phrase “I just need to get through next week”), how unhealed wounds show up at work through perfectionism and feedback sensitivity, and why rest isn’t a reward—it’s a requirement. They also talk about how convenience culture and “main character energy” are quietly eroding community, why boundaries shouldn’t be rigid walls, and what it really takes to build a sustainable, values-aligned relationship with ambition. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why productivity is often emotional avoidance, not motivation The earliest signs your productivity has turned toxic How reparenting shows up in your career (feedback, perfectionism, taking up space) The 7 types of rest (and no, scrolling doesn’t count) Why convenience is costing us connection and how to build community again 00:00 Intro 04:17 When productivity becomes toxic 09:07 Reparenting at work 15:11 Boundaries 101 18:16 Hyper-optimizing “self-improvement” 26:21 Contentment vs complacency (and the “both/and” mindset) 28:06 The 7 types of rest 31:42 Convenience vs connection 38:28 Rapid-fire questions  GUEST LINKS IG: https://www.instagram.com/well.guide/  Subscribe to Well Guide: https://israanasir.substack.com/  https://www.israanasir.com/  Read Toxic Productivity: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781962305358  FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/  ABOUT AMBITION 2.0Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Starbucks' Global Chief Brand Officer Tressie Lieberman to talk about the path that led her through some of the biggest brands in marketing (Pizza Hut → Taco Bell → Chipotle → Yahoo → Starbucks), the mentors who changed her trajectory, and the family system that makes it possible: a true partnership where her husband is the stay-at-home parent. They get tactical about how to divide the cognitive load, why “Sunday check-ins” are a non-negotiable, and how to navigate the social friction that still shows up when you flip traditional gender roles. In this episode, you’ll learn: How Tressie went from aiming for “the next level” to owning the CMO path—and what made that shift happen Why curiosity (and doing “the little extra things”) is key in your career How to build a partnership that’s equitable, not score-keeping The practical systems that reduce mental load at home How to handle judgment, weird school dynamics, and “default parent” assumptions when dad stays home If you’re building an ambitious life—and want a relationship that can grow with it—this episode is a must listen. 00:00 Intro 02:53 The mindset shift that set Tressie’s sights beyond “the next level”  04:02 The mentors who opened doors (including reverse mentoring a CEO) 05:36 How to stand out early: curiosity, doing extra, and teaching what’s next 06:49 Advocating for yourself in executive rooms (and getting over FOE: fear of executives) 09:10 How they chose a stay-at-home partner dynamic 13:59 The at-home teamwork: check-ins, trade-offs, and letting go of perfection and control 17:45 Keeping the marriage strong: date nights, boundaries, and “one blended life” 32:45 Rapid fire: Sunday rituals, go-to Starbucks order, and ideal partnership in one word GUEST LINKS LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tressielieberman/  FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/  ABOUT AMBITION 2.0 Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

According to workplace culture expert and author Jennifer Moss, burnout in 2025 is actually worse than it was at the height of the pandemic—with roughly half of the global workforce experiencing symptoms. 🙃 In this episode of Ambition 2.0, host Amanda Goetz sits down with Jennifer to unpack why burnout is still rising, why “hardcore culture” and the 996 movement are actually bad for business (and employee morale), and why self-care rituals like a face mask and a Sunday night bath are band-aid solutions for a systems-level problem.  They get into the uncomfortable truth about ageism (both Gen Z and older workers are experiencing bias) and what leaders are getting wrong about “return to office” and productivity. You’ll also hear a much more hopeful take on the future of work: how to design cultures around hope, purpose, and community, what actually moves the needle on wellbeing and performance, and what employees can do when they’re stuck in a bad culture but can’t just quit (because… rent). They also dig into AI, “boreout,” calendar Tetris, and the simple 20-minute rituals that can quietly transform a team.  Key Takeaways:  Burnout is a systems failure, not a self-care issue  Ageism is shrinking the workforce more than AI How to assert boundaries with your boss when you’re burned out (and can’t quit) Clear signs you’re burning out  Community at work is a performance driver, not a perk 3 things every company culture should have to prevent burnout Whether you’re a manager, an HR leader, or just someone who’s tired, cynical, and wondering, “Is it me… or my job?” this episode will give you language, frameworks, and actionable steps you can take today to redesign the way you work forever. 00:00 Intro 01:30 Redefining ambition without toxic productivity 06:30 Generational divides, ageism & entry-level careers 11:12 Burnout as a systems failure (not a self-care issue) 13:40 Hardcore culture, the 996 movement, and the real cost it has on companies 23:03 What employees can do when they can’t just quit 29:28 Three warning signs you’re sliding into burnout 32:30 The pillars of great culture 38:09 AI, “boreout,” and designing a lower-burnout future of work GUEST LINKS Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jleighmoss/?hl=en  https://www.jennifer-moss.com/  Why Are We Here? Creating a Work Culture Everyone Wants: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647826130 The Burnout Epidemic: The Rise of Chronic Stress and How We Can Fix It: https://bookshop.org/a/116169/9781647820367 FOLLOW THE PODCAST IG: https://www.instagram.com/girlboss/ | TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@girlboss  Amanda Goetz: https://www.instagram.com/theamandagoetz/  https://girlboss.com/pages/ambition-2-0-podcast  SIGN UP Subscribe to the Girlboss Daily newsletter: https://newsletter.girlboss.com/  For all other Girlboss links: https://linkin.bio/girlboss/  ABOUT AMBITION 2.0 Powered by Girlboss, Ambition 2.0 is a podcast where we’ll be exploring what it really means to “have it all” in work, family, identity, and self… and if it’s actually worth it. Each week, you'll hear from hardworking women who’ve walked the tightrope of ambition. They'll share their costly mistakes, lessons learned, and practical tips for how to have it all and actually love what you have. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices