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20VC: Will OpenRouter Sell for $10BN to Stripe? | Why Chinese Open Models Are Beating America—and What Happens Next | Why Enterprises Are More Fearful of Anthropic and OpenAI Than China | Is the Routing Layer Becoming a Commodity with Alex Atallah
10/08/2026 | 59 mins.Alex Atallah is the Founder and CEO @ OpenRouter, the unified interface for LLMs. The company has raised over $153M in funding, with the latest valuation pricing the company at $1.3BN. OpenRouter is reportedly in an acquisition process with Stripe for $10BN.
AGENDA:
00:00 Is OpenRouter Selling to Stripe for $10 Billion? 04:05 What Did Alex Learn From Scaling OpenSea? 06:38 What Did OpenRouter's Founding Thesis Get Wrong? 14:47 Is AI Model Routing Already Being Commoditized? 19:12 Do Falling Token Prices Help or Hurt OpenRouter? 27:16 Should America Be Alarmed by Chinese Open Models? 32:43 Will US Open-Source Models Compete With Chinese Models in the Next 12 Months? 39:26 Will the Router Be Swallowed by the Agent Framework? 48:56 Is Distillation Wrong—and How Should We Look at It? 50:01 Is the Reported $10 Billion Stripe Deal Actually Happening?20VC: The AI Boom Will Create Enormous Roadkill: Who Wins & Loses | Why Founders Should Never Take Multi-Stage Money at Seed | Why Triple, Triple, Double, Double is Good Enough
08/08/2026 | 1h 25 mins.David Frankel is one of the great seed investors of our time. As the Co-Founder of Founder Collective he has backed the likes of Uber, Coupang, Suno, PillPack, Airtable, Whoop, Shield AI and many more. In a world of expanding fund sizes, David and Founder Collective are one of the only successful franchises to truly stick to small, boutique funds.
AGENDA:
00:00 The Bubbles Are Getting Bigger—and There Will Be a Lot of Roadkill
05:21 The Worst-Performing Funds Will Be the $50M–$100M Seed Funds
25:06 "We're Greedy for Returns, Not Management Fees"
30:10 "Pro Rata Is the Original Sin"
32:59 "A $1BN Valuation Is the New Series A"
46:39 "I Have Never Seen Secondary Markets This Liquid"
58:03 Microsoft Has Done a Crappy Job of AI—and Another Dot-Com Crash Is Inevitable
01:08:25 OpenAI and Anthropic Will Be Disrupted—and China Could Do It
01:16:12 "Anyone Who Claims They Knew Is Full of Shit"
01:19:56 Our Children Won't Need to Drive—and Chemotherapy Will Look Prehistoric20VC: Airtable Sold for $1.285BN | Leo Achenbrenner's Situational Awareness Blows Up | Moonshot AI Raises $3.5B at $35B | Anthropic Model Breaches Three Companies' Security | Big Tech Earnings: Why Palantir Beat The Rest
06/08/2026 | 1h 15 mins.Special Guest: Nikesh Arora, CEO @ Palo Alto Networks.
AGENDA:
04:50 Airtable Sold to Bending Spoons for $1.285B 17:00 Leo Aschenbrenner's Situational Awareness Blows Up as Citadel Buys His $16BN Book 22:30 Anthropic's AI Models Breach Three Companies as Cyber Threat Accelerates 33:35 Moonshot AI Raises $3.5B at $35B as Chinese Models Crush AI Prices 38:05 Valar Atomics Triples to $6B as Sequoia Bets on Nuclear Power for AI 42:50 OpenAI and Anthropic Could Trigger a Massive Public-Market Dislocation 52:55 Big Tech and Palantir Earnings Ignite the Next Phase of the AI Gold Rush 1:04:30 Procore Buys DroneDeploy for $900M in a High-Stakes 12x Revenue Bet 1:10:55 Scale AI Hits $1.5B ARR After the Meta Deal Left It for Dead20VC: 70% of Neolabs Will Die | There Will be a $100BN US Open-Source Model | Data is a Trillion $ Market | Governments Cannot Regulate Models: It is Too Late | The Cyber Attacks to Come Will be Insane with Anastasios Angelopoulos @ Arena
03/08/2026 | 1h 4 mins.Anastasios Angelopoulos is the co-founder and CEO of Arena, the real-world evaluation platform that has become a leading referee of the global AI model race. Arena has raised $250 million, with the latest round valuing the company at $1.7BN. Arena recently surpassed $100M ARR just eight months after launching its enterprise offering, powered by more than 30 million monthly users.
AGENDA:
00:00 – Intro: "Kimi beat every American model": What Nobody Wants to Admit…
05:20 – Is this the true commoditization of models? Are they just a utility layer now?
07:30 – Do Chinese open source models cannibalize the closed frontier labs?
10:30 – Why has America's open source community lagged so badly behind China?
17:20 – Will Chinese models be banned in the US — and does hosting locally really kill the backdoor risk?
23:20 – Are enterprises really terrified of working with the frontier labs?
27:20 – Why hasn't inference got cheaper — and what happens when Anthropic's "disgustingly high" margins go public?
30:20 – Who should decide if a model is safe to release: the government, a neutral body, or nobody?
33:10 – Are we about to see cyberattacks like we've never seen before? (The fake candidate who passed every interview)
37:00 – 75 Neo labs: what separates the winners from the two-thirds worth nothing?
40:45 – Is data actually a commodity — and can data providers be $100BN companies?
48:00 – Can you be the referee when the players are paying you? (And Arena's real revenue)
50:45 – Will the model providers eat the application layer? Are Harvey, Lagora and Figma in trouble?
54:10 – Quickfire: Why hasn't NVIDIA bounced on the rise of open source, who hits $10 trillion first, and does the compute debt cycle end in insolvency?20VC: The Best AI Companies Have Unique Data Acquisition Strategies | Will Simile Kill Kalshi, Polymarkets and NASDAQ | How to Sign Fortune 500 Companies As Customers in Weeks with Joon Sung Park, Simile
01/08/2026 | 1h 3 mins.Joon Sung Park is the Founder and CEO of Simile, the AI simulation company building foundation models of human behaviour; allowing companies to test how real people may think, decide and act before making a decision in the real world. Simile has now raised $300 million in total, including a $200 million Series B announced last week at a $2 billion valuation, led by Greenoaks and Index Ventures.
AGENDA:
00:00 We Will Pay $100M for a Single Query on Some Models
10:00 Why Stock Markets May Not Exist in 5 Years Time
15:00 The Best Companies All Have Unique Data Acquisition Strategies
19:00 The Best AI Companies Have Clear and Fast Reward Functions
24:00 How We Sign Fortune 500 Companies for $10M Contracts in Weeks
32:00 Does Similie Kill Kalshi and Polymarket? Prediction vs Changing the Future
42:00 Inside Similie's $300M Raise; What Every Founder Needs to Know
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