Ivan Burazin, Daytona on AI computers, $300K ARR sacrifice and racing competitors on a moving train
In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Daytona CEO Ivan Burazin reveals why he walked away from $300K ARR to rebuild his company from scratch for the age of AI agents. He explains why agents will outnumber humans "to the power of ten," how Daytona creates composable computers that agents can spin up on demand, and what it means to race competitors while the entire market moves at breakneck speed. Ivan shares hard-won lessons from 16 years building cloud development environments, starting with Codeanywhere in 2009 - a decade before the market was ready.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-ivan-burazin-daytonaFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:Daytona: https://www.daytona.io/Ivan Burazin on X: https://x.com/ivanburazinEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_enEvil Martians for devtools: https://evilmartians.com/devtools
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Paul Copplestone of Supabase on low ego teams, meme workshops, and building for the next generation
In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Supabase CEO Paul Copplestone reveals why hiring ex-founders with beaten-down egos builds better products, how internal meme workshops became part of their culture, and why vibe coding isn't a bubble that will burst. He shares the accidental origin of Launch Weeks, explains why Supabase is building for a 30-year timeline, and breaks down how they scaled to 5 million developers across 40 countries with barely any meetings.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-paul-copplestone-supabaseFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.com Evil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:Supabase: https://supabase.comPaul Copplestone on X: https://x.com/kiwicoppleEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_enEvil Martians for devtools: https://evilmartians.com/devtools
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Sam Lambert of PlanetScale on surviving AWS outages and the real cost of extreme fault tolerance
Sam Lambert of PlanetScale reveals how they stayed up during the AWS outage that took down millions of sites, helped grow Vitess usage 61,000% in four years, and why "tier zero" infrastructure demands extreme fault tolerance. He shares the journey from 750-user consultancy to "growing like crazy", why operational excellence beats feature velocity, and what it actually costs to build databases that never go down.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-sam-lambert-planetscaleFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:PlanetScale: https://planetscale.com/Sam Lambert on X: https://x.com/isamlambertEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en
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Zeno Rocha of Resend on cutting scope ruthlessly and shipping perfect products fast
Resend founder Zeno Rocha reveals how he built an $18M Series A email API company by obsessing over brand, giving away React Email for free, and rejecting the "ship crap fast" mentality. He shares why seeking rejection accelerates sales, how zero-ego hiring beats talent, and why most dev tools fail by hiding behind GitHub stars instead of charging money.Episode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-zeno-rocha-resendFollow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsLinks:Resend: https://resend.com/Zeno Rocha on X: https://x.com/zenorochaEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en
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Jeff Huber of Chroma on how small opinionated teams with low egos build the best developer tools
In this episode of Dev Propulsion Labs, Chroma co-founder Jeff Huber explains why "consensus is a death blow" for great products and reveals his framework for commercializing open source: keep the engine open, monetize the car. He breaks down context engineering, why RAG became industry brain rot, and how small opinionated teams with low egos build the best developer tools.Follow us on X: https://x.com/dpl_podEpisode notes: https://evilmartians.com/events/podcast-jeff-huber-chromaEvil Martians is the go-to agency for early-stage developer tools startups: https://evilmartians.com/devtoolsRecorded at Chroma. Vector, full-text, regex, and metadata search. Develop locally and scale to petabytes in the cloud backed by object storage. Serverless search and retrieval that is fast, cheap, and reliable. https://www.trychroma.comLinks:Chroma: https://x.com/trychromaJeff Huber on X: https://x.com/jeffreyhuberEvil Martians on X: https://x.com/evilmartiansVictoria Melnikova on X: https://x.com/vmelnikova_en
Dev Propulsion Labs is a podcast about the business of developer tools. Hosts from the Evil Martians team interview prominent dev tools founders with the goal of sharing knowledge in the maturing developer tool and commercial open source industry.
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