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    Is AI making students smarter or just better at avoiding thinking? with Annie Chechitelli (#345)

    25/05/2026 | 1h 3 mins.
    In this episode, we sit down with Annie Chechitelli, Chief Product Officer at Turnitin, to unpack one of education's most urgent tensions: how do you preserve genuine learning in an age where AI can write a passable essay in seconds? We go beyond the detector-versus-cheater framing to ask what assessment, academic integrity, and the role of the teacher actually need to look like now.
    Annie Chechitelli is Chief Product Officer at Turnitin and has spent over 25 years in education technology - from building live online classrooms before Zoom existed, through roles at Blackboard and Amazon, to leading product at Turnitin for the past four years. She's one of the few people who has watched AI go from a quiet API curiosity to a classroom crisis in real time.

    We cover:
    - Why Turnitin shifted from detecting cheating to giving educators clarity on how students use AI
    - The move from summative to formative assessment and what it demands of teachers
    - How oral assessments, AI simulations, and peer feedback could replace the traditional essay
    - What it means that 13% of papers submitted globally contain 80% or more AI-generated content
    - Why Nature Magazine just retracted a major study claiming AI is good for learning
    - The cognitive shortcut question: what parts of thinking can students safely offload to AI, and what can they not?
    - Whether "AI literacy" is a meaningful term or just marketing language
    - Why institutional policy decisions keep going wrong when educators aren't in the room
    If you're a teacher trying to figure out where AI fits in your classroom, a leader shaping institutional policy, or someone who wants an honest conversation about what AI is actually doing to learning, this episode cuts through the noise. Annie doesn't arrive with neat answers. She brings the data, the hard questions, and a genuine commitment to getting this right for students.
    Chapters
    00:00 Introductions
    02:04 Meet Annie Chechitelli, CPO of Turnitin
    03:29 25 years in EdTech from Wimba to Amazon to Turnitin
    07:04 Why Annie bet on education technology in 1999
    09:31 What is Turnitin? A plain-language explainer
    14:24 Essay mills, contract cheating, and the misconduct economy
    17:12 AI and the shortcut to thinking
    23:55 Who does Turnitin design for: teachers, students, or admins?
    27:05 How assessment needs to change in the AI era
    31:21 Oral defence, AI simulations, and peer feedback at scale
    36:50 Why the UK is doubling down on exams
    39:23 From AI detection to Turnitin Clarity
    44:25 Who decides what counts as misconduct?
    48:31 The research gap nobody is filling
    52:34 Nature Magazine retracts its AI learning study
    54:40 Is "AI literacy" a real term?
    58:35 Quick-fire questions
    Find out more about Turnitin Clarity
    Thanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you.
    Ben & Steve x
    Championing those who are making the future of education a reality.
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    Why are we teaching kids to use tech instead of change the world with it with Natalie Moore (#344)

    18/05/2026 | 49 mins.
    Are we teaching young people to consume technology - or to change the world with it?In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Natalie Moore, CEO of Apps for Good, to explore what it really means to put young people in the driving seat of their own learning - and their own futures.
    From a council estate in East London to the London 2012 Olympics, and now leading one of the UK's most impactful edtech charities, Natalie brings a grounded, honest perspective on what education could look like when we trust young people to solve the problems that matter to them.Natalie is CEO of Apps for Good, a UK education technology charity that helps young people tackle real-world problems and build meaningful tech solutions.
    With 13 years at the organisation - and the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Organising Committee on her CV - she brings rare insight into impact-driven education, digital skills, and what it genuinely means to do good.
    In this episode we cover:
    - Why Apps for Good was born out of work tackling digital exclusion in Brazilian favelas and what that means for UK classrooms today
    - How AI is reshaping the Apps for Good curriculum, including a new "vibe coding" pathway and what responsible AI literacy looks like for young people
    - The philosophy behind "apps for good" - why agency, purpose, and real-world relevance are more powerful than any curriculum mandate
    - How project-based learning engages the students most likely to be switched off, including girls in STEM and young people from underrepresented backgrounds
    - The annual Apps for Good Showcase - a Dragon's Den-style pitch event reviewed by volunteers from Google, Spotify, Sony and more
    - Real impact stories: from a cattle management app built by Scottish farming kids to alumni now working at the Lego Group and Sony\
    If you work in education, edtech, or youth development and you're wondering how to make technology genuinely meaningful - not just functional - for young people, this episode is essential. Natalie cuts through the AI hype to get at something deeper: what happens when young people aren't just users of technology, but creators solving problems they actually care about. Whether you're a teacher, school leader, or organisation trying to have real impact, this conversation will challenge you and inspire you in equal measure.
    Chapters
    00:00 – Welcome & introductions
    01:44 – Natalie's background
    04:58 – How Apps for Good came about and what it does
    10:14 – Moving young people from consumers to creators
    12:26 – Has AI changed everything or just the tools?
    15:02 – Vibe coding, AI literacy, and the new curriculum pathway
    17:29 – What does "for good" actually mean?
    20:28 – Reaching underrepresented young people and the challenge of scale
    24:40 – Agency in the classroom: do students really want to be spoon-fed?
    29:03 – Critical thinking, AI bias, and why young people need both
    32:58 – What is project-based learning and why does it work?
    35:57 – Impact data: skills, confidence, and alumni stories
    41:03 – The Apps for Good Annual Showcase
    43:13 – Quickfire Questions

    Voting for the People's Choice Award will open on Monday, 15th June. Have a look at their showcase here
    They are building an expression of interest list for their brand new AI for Good 2.0 course, launching late Summer ahead of the 2026/27 academic year. Listeners can complete this short form to be the first to see it
    If you want to learn more or connect, please visit here or reach out on email.
    They are shortlisted at Edufuturists Uprising 2026 - join us in Liverpool on 25th June to celebrate them and other incredible organisations making a differenceUprising is now CPD accredited!Subscribe to the Edufuturists podcast for weekly conversations with the people reshaping education.
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    Why your school wellbeing strategy isn't working and what to do about it with Charlie Burley (#343)

    11/05/2026 | 56 mins.
    What if the biggest barrier to student success isn't curriculum, funding, or leadership - it's that we're burning out the very people holding it all together?In this episode, we sit down with Charlie Burley - The Teachers' Health Coach - to get real about the burnout crisis hiding in plain sight across our schools. Charlie shares the moment his own breakdown became his calling, and why fixing teacher wellbeing can't just mean a yoga session at the next INSET day.Charlie Burley is a former primary school teacher turned health coach, author, and founder of the Building Better Balance programme. After burning out in year five of his teaching career, navigating chronic stress, anxiety, and panic attacks, he retrained as a nutritionist and mental health coach and has spent the last seven years working with individual teachers, school leaders, and multi-academy trusts to rebuild wellbeing from the ground up. His diagnostic framework, the Six C's, gives schools a clear picture of where their culture is thriving and where it's quietly crumbling.In this episode, we cover:- Why teachers are burning out - the personal, professional, and systemic factors that pile up unseen- The Six C's framework - Care, Clarity, Capacity, Competence, Connection and Contribution, and how Charlie uses them to diagnose wellbeing across a whole school- Staff before students - Charlie's (perhaps controversial) argument that putting school staff first is the only way to genuinely serve children and families- The Sunday Scaries - what's actually happening in your brain on Sunday evenings, and Charlie's practical three-step approach: Calm, Clarity, Certainty- Marginal gains for mental health - why five minutes before you walk through the school gate might matter more than any wellness programme- Coaching in education and why it's normalised in sport and business but still underused in schools, and what changes when you bring it in- The community cure - Robin Dunbar's research on loneliness, why connection is the first chapter of Charlie's new book, and why belonging might be the most underrated lever in educationIf you're a teacher running on empty, a leader wondering why your wellbeing initiatives aren't landing, or anyone who cares about what education could look like when the people inside schools are actually looked after - this one is for you. Charlie brings the lived experience, the research, and the practical tools. No toxic positivity. No empty platitudes. Just an honest conversation about what it actually takes to rewrite wellbeing in schools."If you put your staff first, they will take care of everything."Chapters:00:00 Introduction & what's been going on at Edufuturists03:00 Meet Charlie Burley: from Year 6 teacher to health coach05:30 Charlie's burnout story: self-worth, grief, and throwing himself into work10:15 Why teacher stress cascades down to students12:20 The Six C's framework: diagnosing wellbeing across a whole school18:00 Why coaching is still underused in education21:30 Crisis leadership vs. strategic wellbeing: the difference that matters24:20 Staff first: the case for putting teachers before targets29:15 Practical wellbeing: creating space in a packed day34:30 Is teaching uniquely stressful? The emotional labour debate40:55 The Sunday Scaries: anticipatory anxiety and the three C's fix47:40 Community, connection and why belonging underpins everything54:35 Quickfire Questions🔗 Find Charlie Burley:Instagram: @theteachershealthcoachWebsite: The Teachers Health CoachBook: Healthy Habits for Teacher Life
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    AI isn't deskilling our kids with Dr Rob Wessman (#342)

    04/05/2026 | 45 mins.
    What if the real risk of AI in schools isn't that it cheats - it's that it quietly switches off the parts of our brains we need most?

    In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Rob Wessman, VP of Ethics and Safety at School AI, to dig into one of the most important questions in education right now: are we building AI tools that develop young people, or tools that do the developing for them?

    With a background as a high school English teacher, school administrator, and Harvard EdLD graduate, Rob brings a genuinely human lens to the world of edtech and a compelling case for why getting this right matters more than getting it fast.

    We cover:
    - The MIT study that showed students struggling to think for themselves after outsourcing their essays to AI
    - Why School AI's research shows a 28% boost in higher-order reasoning - and how design makes the difference
    - The deskilling risk hiding in plain sight (and what endoscopy doctors can teach us about it)
    - Why banning AI in schools may be more dangerous than letting students use it unsupervised
    - The "agency with guardrails" challenge: how do you build tools that protect without limiting?
    - What Singapore's education ministry gets right — and why we should be paying attention
    - Why School AI removed their cute avatar and what it says about human-AI honesty

    Whether you're a school leader trying to make sense of AI policy, an educator worried about what students are losing, or just someone who wants the tech to actually serve learning, we think you'll like this one!

    Chapters
    0:00 Introductions
    02:35 Rob Wessman's Background in Education
    05:16 Rob's Role at School AI and Its Mission
    08:45 Designing AI to Promote Critical Thinking
    12:05 Safety Guardrails and Ethical Use of AI
    14:03 MIT Study on De-skilling and AI Risks
    17:00 Boosting Higher-Order Reasoning with AI
    20:27 Supporting Teachers and Human Connection
    24:09 Legislation and Societal Concerns about AI
    28:15 Educating About AI and Its Risks
    32:47 Future Directions and Responsible AI Design
    40:37 What Remains Human in Education?
    43:31 Closing Remarks

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    How to use AI as a team member (not just a tool) with Kathryn Jablokow (#341)

    27/04/2026 | 1 mins.
    What if AI could think more like a human - and what would that mean for education, teams, and leadership?In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Kathryn Jablokow, Dean of Engineering at Manhattan University, to explore one of the most fascinating ideas in AI right now: cognitive diversity. With 34 years in engineering education and groundbreaking research into how AI agents can mimic different thinking styles, Kathryn brings a perspective you won't hear anywhere else.We cover:- Why AI struggles to find what you actually want- Adaption-Innovation Theory and what it means for AI development- Using AI as a genuine team member not just a productivity tool- What engineering education needs to look like post-ChatGPT- Why understanding how your team thinks is the real unlock for AI- The problem with how schools teach teamwork (and why exams are part of the problem)Whether you're a school leader, educator, or just someone trying to make sense of where AI is heading - this one's for you.Chapters00:00 Introductions01:21 Kathryn Jablokow's Journey in Engineering Education06:38 Transforming Engineering Education at Manhattan University13:04 AI's Role in Education and Engineering20:06 Integrating AI as a Team Member24:09 The Future of AI in Education30:42 Navigating Disagreement in AI Development32:15 The Human Element in AI Interaction34:11 Cultural Perspectives on AI and Robotics36:33 Data Privacy and Environmental Concerns38:32 Job Displacement and Creation in the Age of AI43:28 Preparing Future Generations for an Evolving Job Market47:26 Mental Well-Being and Critical Thinking in EducationCheck out all about Edufuturists
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We are led to believe that the education system will continually evolve to meet the needs of learners and society. This has not happened. We need a revolution!
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