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    Why are we teaching kids to use tech instead of change the world with it with Natalie Moore (#344)

    18/05/2026 | 49 mins.
    Are we teaching young people to consume technology - or to change the world with it?In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Natalie Moore, CEO of Apps for Good, to explore what it really means to put young people in the driving seat of their own learning - and their own futures. From a council estate in East London to the London 2012 Olympics, and now leading one of the UK's most impactful edtech charities, Natalie brings a grounded, honest perspective on what education could look like when we trust young people to solve the problems that matter to them.Natalie is CEO of Apps for Good, a UK education technology charity that helps young people tackle real-world problems and build meaningful tech solutions. With 13 years at the organisation - and the London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Organising Committee on her CV - she brings rare insight into impact-driven education, digital skills, and what it genuinely means to do good.In this episode we cover:- Why Apps for Good was born out of work tackling digital exclusion in Brazilian favelas and what that means for UK classrooms today- How AI is reshaping the Apps for Good curriculum, including a new "vibe coding" pathway and what responsible AI literacy looks like for young people- The philosophy behind "apps for good" - why agency, purpose, and real-world relevance are more powerful than any curriculum mandate- How project-based learning engages the students most likely to be switched off, including girls in STEM and young people from underrepresented backgrounds- The annual Apps for Good Showcase - a Dragon's Den-style pitch event reviewed by volunteers from Google, Spotify, Sony and more- Real impact stories: from a cattle management app built by Scottish farming kids to alumni now working at the Lego Group and SonyIf you work in education, edtech, or youth development and you're wondering how to make technology genuinely meaningful - not just functional - for young people, this episode is essential. Natalie cuts through the AI hype to get at something deeper: what happens when young people aren't just users of technology, but creators solving problems they actually care about. Whether you're a teacher, school leader, or organisation trying to have real impact, this conversation will challenge you and inspire you in equal measure.Chapters00:00 – Welcome & introductions01:44 – Natalie's background04:58 – How Apps for Good came about and what it does10:14 – Moving young people from consumers to creators12:26 – Has AI changed everything or just the tools?15:02 – Vibe coding, AI literacy, and the new curriculum pathway17:29 – What does "for good" actually mean?20:28 – Reaching underrepresented young people and the challenge of scale24:40 – Agency in the classroom: do students really want to be spoon-fed?29:03 – Critical thinking, AI bias, and why young people need both32:58 – What is project-based learning and why does it work?35:57 – Impact data: skills, confidence, and alumni stories41:03 – The Apps for Good Annual Showcase43:13 – Quickfire Questions

    Voting for the People's Choice Award will open on Monday, 15th June. Listeners will be able to vote here
    They are building an expression of interest list for their brand new AI for Good 2.0 course, launching late Summer ahead of the 2026/27 academic year. Listeners can complete this short form to be the first to see it
    If you want to learn more or connect, please visit here or reach out on email.
    They are shortlisted at Edufuturists Uprising 2026 - join us in Liverpool on 25th June to celebrate them and other incredible organisations making a differenceUprising is now CPD accredited!Subscribe to the Edufuturists podcast for weekly conversations with the people reshaping education.
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    Why your school wellbeing strategy isn't working and what to do about it with Charlie Burley (#343)

    11/05/2026 | 56 mins.
    What if the biggest barrier to student success isn't curriculum, funding, or leadership - it's that we're burning out the very people holding it all together?In this episode, we sit down with Charlie Burley - The Teachers' Health Coach - to get real about the burnout crisis hiding in plain sight across our schools. Charlie shares the moment his own breakdown became his calling, and why fixing teacher wellbeing can't just mean a yoga session at the next INSET day.Charlie Burley is a former primary school teacher turned health coach, author, and founder of the Building Better Balance programme. After burning out in year five of his teaching career, navigating chronic stress, anxiety, and panic attacks, he retrained as a nutritionist and mental health coach and has spent the last seven years working with individual teachers, school leaders, and multi-academy trusts to rebuild wellbeing from the ground up. His diagnostic framework, the Six C's, gives schools a clear picture of where their culture is thriving and where it's quietly crumbling.In this episode, we cover:- Why teachers are burning out - the personal, professional, and systemic factors that pile up unseen- The Six C's framework - Care, Clarity, Capacity, Competence, Connection and Contribution, and how Charlie uses them to diagnose wellbeing across a whole school- Staff before students - Charlie's (perhaps controversial) argument that putting school staff first is the only way to genuinely serve children and families- The Sunday Scaries - what's actually happening in your brain on Sunday evenings, and Charlie's practical three-step approach: Calm, Clarity, Certainty- Marginal gains for mental health - why five minutes before you walk through the school gate might matter more than any wellness programme- Coaching in education and why it's normalised in sport and business but still underused in schools, and what changes when you bring it in- The community cure - Robin Dunbar's research on loneliness, why connection is the first chapter of Charlie's new book, and why belonging might be the most underrated lever in educationIf you're a teacher running on empty, a leader wondering why your wellbeing initiatives aren't landing, or anyone who cares about what education could look like when the people inside schools are actually looked after - this one is for you. Charlie brings the lived experience, the research, and the practical tools. No toxic positivity. No empty platitudes. Just an honest conversation about what it actually takes to rewrite wellbeing in schools."If you put your staff first, they will take care of everything."Chapters:00:00 Introduction & what's been going on at Edufuturists03:00 Meet Charlie Burley: from Year 6 teacher to health coach05:30 Charlie's burnout story: self-worth, grief, and throwing himself into work10:15 Why teacher stress cascades down to students12:20 The Six C's framework: diagnosing wellbeing across a whole school18:00 Why coaching is still underused in education21:30 Crisis leadership vs. strategic wellbeing: the difference that matters24:20 Staff first: the case for putting teachers before targets29:15 Practical wellbeing: creating space in a packed day34:30 Is teaching uniquely stressful? The emotional labour debate40:55 The Sunday Scaries: anticipatory anxiety and the three C's fix47:40 Community, connection and why belonging underpins everything54:35 Quickfire Questions🔗 Find Charlie Burley:Instagram: @theteachershealthcoachWebsite: The Teachers Health CoachBook: Healthy Habits for Teacher Life
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    AI isn't deskilling our kids with Dr Rob Wessman (#342)

    04/05/2026 | 45 mins.
    What if the real risk of AI in schools isn't that it cheats - it's that it quietly switches off the parts of our brains we need most?

    In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Rob Wessman, VP of Ethics and Safety at School AI, to dig into one of the most important questions in education right now: are we building AI tools that develop young people, or tools that do the developing for them?

    With a background as a high school English teacher, school administrator, and Harvard EdLD graduate, Rob brings a genuinely human lens to the world of edtech and a compelling case for why getting this right matters more than getting it fast.

    We cover:
    - The MIT study that showed students struggling to think for themselves after outsourcing their essays to AI
    - Why School AI's research shows a 28% boost in higher-order reasoning - and how design makes the difference
    - The deskilling risk hiding in plain sight (and what endoscopy doctors can teach us about it)
    - Why banning AI in schools may be more dangerous than letting students use it unsupervised
    - The "agency with guardrails" challenge: how do you build tools that protect without limiting?
    - What Singapore's education ministry gets right — and why we should be paying attention
    - Why School AI removed their cute avatar and what it says about human-AI honesty

    Whether you're a school leader trying to make sense of AI policy, an educator worried about what students are losing, or just someone who wants the tech to actually serve learning, we think you'll like this one!

    Chapters
    0:00 Introductions
    02:35 Rob Wessman's Background in Education
    05:16 Rob's Role at School AI and Its Mission
    08:45 Designing AI to Promote Critical Thinking
    12:05 Safety Guardrails and Ethical Use of AI
    14:03 MIT Study on De-skilling and AI Risks
    17:00 Boosting Higher-Order Reasoning with AI
    20:27 Supporting Teachers and Human Connection
    24:09 Legislation and Societal Concerns about AI
    28:15 Educating About AI and Its Risks
    32:47 Future Directions and Responsible AI Design
    40:37 What Remains Human in Education?
    43:31 Closing Remarks

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    How to use AI as a team member (not just a tool) with Kathryn Jablokow (#341)

    27/04/2026 | 1 mins.
    What if AI could think more like a human - and what would that mean for education, teams, and leadership?In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Kathryn Jablokow, Dean of Engineering at Manhattan University, to explore one of the most fascinating ideas in AI right now: cognitive diversity. With 34 years in engineering education and groundbreaking research into how AI agents can mimic different thinking styles, Kathryn brings a perspective you won't hear anywhere else.We cover:- Why AI struggles to find what you actually want- Adaption-Innovation Theory and what it means for AI development- Using AI as a genuine team member not just a productivity tool- What engineering education needs to look like post-ChatGPT- Why understanding how your team thinks is the real unlock for AI- The problem with how schools teach teamwork (and why exams are part of the problem)Whether you're a school leader, educator, or just someone trying to make sense of where AI is heading - this one's for you.Chapters00:00 Introductions01:21 Kathryn Jablokow's Journey in Engineering Education06:38 Transforming Engineering Education at Manhattan University13:04 AI's Role in Education and Engineering20:06 Integrating AI as a Team Member24:09 The Future of AI in Education30:42 Navigating Disagreement in AI Development32:15 The Human Element in AI Interaction34:11 Cultural Perspectives on AI and Robotics36:33 Data Privacy and Environmental Concerns38:32 Job Displacement and Creation in the Age of AI43:28 Preparing Future Generations for an Evolving Job Market47:26 Mental Well-Being and Critical Thinking in EducationCheck out all about Edufuturists
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    How to be a leader and stay the course of time with Patrick Cozier (#340)

    22/04/2026 | 59 mins.
    This podcast episode is a brilliant conversation with Patrick Cozier, who shares his extensive experience in education leadership. The conversation goes into the challenges of decision-making, managing external pressures, leading with humanity, and the impact of paranoia in leadership.We also dig into the importance of consultation and feedback in decision-making, the CALM framework, authentic leadership, the journey and maturity of leaders, Patrick's role on the roundtable, and involvement with Show Racism the Red Card. The themes emphasise the significance of collaboration, internal and external calm, authenticity, reflection, influence, and anti-racism work in leadership and education.Takeaways- Leadership requires resilience and the ability to manage external pressures effectively.- Leading with humanity involves recognising the human side of leadership and building trust through honest and real interactions.- Paranoia in leadership can be challenging, and leaders must learn to cope with the varying opinions and perceptions of others. Consultation and collaboration are crucial in decision-making- Calm leadership involves maintaining focus, awareness, and authenticityChapters00:00 Introductions06:30 Managing External Pressures13:37 Leading with Humanity20:42 Paranoia in Leadership29:29 Consultation and Decision-Making34:35 The CALM Framework44:17 Journey and Maturity51:02 Show Racism and Red CardGrab a copy of Patrick's book
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We are led to believe that the education system will continually evolve to meet the needs of learners and society. This has not happened. We need a revolution!
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