Farm Family Harmony Podcast

In this episode, I sit down with Jaclyn Turpin, Registered Social Worker and founder of Rural Refresh, for a conversation about grief and loss on the farm, including the losses that don't always involve a death.
With over ten years of experience as a social worker and her own connection to agriculture as a farm spouse, Jaclyn understands how deeply change and loss can affect farm families. Together, we talk about experiences like selling livestock, transitioning out of farming, losing independence, and other changes that aren't always recognized as something we need to grieve.
Jaclyn shares why naming and talking about these experiences matters, along with practical ways to navigate loss, ask for help, and better support the people around us when they're going through a difficult time.
If you or someone you know is navigating grief, change, or loss on the farm, this episode is for you.
"We don't always recognize those non-death losses and transitions as a loss experience, and they really are. This is people's identity. This is people's life. It's their livelihood. It's so much a part of them." — Jaclyn Turpin, MSW, RSW, BA
Resources Mentioned During This Episode
Rural Refresh website: https://www.ruralrefresh.ca grief, loss, and mental health support with Jaclyn Turpin

National Farmers Mental Health Alliance: https://nfmha.ca agriculture-informed mental health support for farmers and farm families

Do More Ag Foundation / AgTalk: https://www.domore.ag/agtalk confidential mental health support for the Canadian agriculture community

About Our Guest

Jaclyn Turpin is a Registered Social Worker in private practice. With both her lived experience and education, she supports farmers and their families with transitions, loss, and change. Jaclyn has years of experience working with those who are experiencing grief from both death and non-death losses. She now farms with her husband and children in Oxford County, Ontario, and is committed to supporting those who identify as the farmer and those who keep the rest of the roles filled, both on and off the farm. Jaclyn is passionate about working with rural individuals and appreciates the uniqueness of rural mental health and grief on the farm.
Contact Jaclyn
Visit Rural Refresh Website
Follow Jaclyn on Facebook
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Elaine Froese Resources:
Watch this episode on YouTube.
Visit the podcast website
SPEAKING - book Elaine for your next event
COACHING - explore Farm Transition Coaching
MEMBERSHIP - become a Farm Family Transition Member
FREE STUFF - downloadable tools for your farm transition
CONTACT - take the next steps in your transition
BURNING QUESTION? Submit it here
Farm Family Coach Social Media Links
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Timestamps
00:00 - Introducing grief and loss support for farm families
00:33 - Jaclyn's background growing up in Oxford County
01:19 - Why loss and grief work became personal
03:07 - Why non-death losses matter in agriculture
05:19 - Naming the actual loss in farm transitions
06:01 - Using a loss timeline to map layered grief
07:36 - Why "buck up" culture makes grief harder
08:10 - Phrases people say that are not helpful
09:30 - Replacing shallow comfort with real empathy
10:21 - Questions that open space for honest grief
11:54 - Presence matters more than perfect words
12:41 - Why "let me know if I can help" is too vague
13:04 - Practical support that actually helps farm families
14:03 - What makes agricultural grief unique
15:12 - Small losses children notice on the farm
16:50 - Slowing down after a major transition
18:50 - Understanding ambiguous loss and dementia
20:47 - How dementia affects independence and farm identity
21:45 - Caregiver grief and the challenge of supporting safely
23:18 - Practical adjustments for people in care homes
24:21 - How to contact Jaclyn and work with Rural Refresh
25:39 - Why some people resist getting help
27:12 - Why it is never too early to seek support
28:38 - Making stress conversations normal in farming
30:05 - Choosing not to bottle everything up
31:39 - Why busyness is not the antidote to grief
32:16 - Expanding what community support can look like
33:57 - Frozen meals, expectations, and practical care
35:35 - Why follow-up matters long after the funeral
36:39 - Helping children understand death and loss
37:10 - Jaclyn's virtual support group for spouses of farmers
38:47 - Building community across Ontario and beyond
39:36 - Final encouragement for farm families and listeners

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Ken Keis, president of CRG Consulting Group, leadership expert, and longtime friend, for an honest conversation about helping farm parents find purpose beyond the farm and why understanding yourself is essential for a successful transition.
Drawing from decades of experience working with families, leaders, and organizations, Ken shares how personality, values, and purpose shape the way we communicate, make decisions, and navigate change. Together, we explore why so many farm transitions stall, the importance of having difficult conversations before a crisis, and how changing roles doesn't mean losing your identity.
We discuss discovering your purpose beyond the farm, understanding different personality styles and values, creating a healthier family culture, and why transition planning should happen while everyone is healthy and able to make decisions together.
If you or someone you know is struggling with letting go, finding purpose after farming, or navigating the next chapter of your family's journey, this episode is for you.
"The farm or your business is your identity. And I'm here to say that is not true. It is just an entity. The relationship and the people are the legacy." - Dr Ken Keis
Resources Mentioned During This Episode
CRG Consulting Group:  leadership development tools, personality assessments, and coaching resources

Why Aren't You More Like Me? by Dr. Ken Keis explore personality styles, communication, and self-awareness

Values Assessment Tool:  discover your core values and what drives your decisions

Insight: The Surprising Truth About How Others See Us, How We See Ourselves, and Why the Answers Matter More Than We Think by Dr Tasha Eurich:  develop self-awareness, become more confident, and successful.

Ken Keis' free eBook, The Quest for Purpose:  discover your purpose, have meaning & fulfillment, live with passion and presence

Triggers: Creating Behavior That Lasts: Becoming the Person You Want to Be by Marshall Goldsmith:  overcome trigger points in our lives and enact meaningful and lasting change.

About Our Guest

Ken Keis, Ph.D., is a globally recognized expert in personality, leadership, purpose, and wellness. With more than 37 years of experience, he has delivered over 3,000 presentations and 10,000 hours of coaching and consulting, helping individuals and organizations realize their full potential.
As President and CEO of Consulting Resource Group International (CRG), Ken has advanced professional and personal development through CRG's proprietary models, 10 online courses, and 14 assessments, including The Personal Style Indicator, consistently rated the #1 personality assessment by participants. He has also certified and licensed coaches, trainers, speakers, consultants, and HR professionals in more than 30 countries.
Ken is the bestselling author of Why Aren't You More Like Me?, Deliberate Leadership, and The Quest for Purpose. His work has been endorsed by respected leadership experts, including Ken Blanchard, Jim Kouzes, and Marshall Goldsmith.
Contact Ken
Follow Ken on LinkedIn
Connect with Ken on Twitter
Follow Ken on Facebook
Elaine Froese Resources:
Watch this episode on YouTube.
Visit the podcast website
SPEAKING - book Elaine for your next event
COACHING - explore Farm Transition Coaching
MEMBERSHIP - become a Farm Family Transition Member
FREE STUFF - downloadable tools for your farm transition
CONTACT - take the next steps in your transition
BURNING QUESTION? Submit it here
Farm Family Coach Social Media Links
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LinkedIn
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction: Why farm family clarity and transition matter
00:30 - Dr. Ken Keis's background and farm experience
01:03 - The importance of measurement and clarity in life and farming
01:31 - The role of personal style indicators in understanding family dynamics
02:24 - Leadership development and realization of potential
03:00 - Procrastination's impact on agriculture and family decisions
04:21 - Personal family story: engagement, values, and clarity
05:44 - Family meeting: using personality tools for farm decision-making
06:28 - Navigating risks and uncertainties in farming
07:25 - Why family members are wired differently and personality differences
08:43 - Recognizing strengths and challenges of varied personal styles
09:50 - The importance of purpose and the risks of taking the farm for granted
10:14 - The legacy of the farm: family relationships vs. land
11:07 - Inherited roles and aligning talents with farm roles
11:36 - Moving on: the story of finding fulfillment outside traditional farm roles
12:14 - Clarity about the farm as an entity, not identity
12:52 - The significance of values in decision-making and alignment
13:48 - Challenges of growth and outgrowing capabilities
14:15 - Self-awareness and perception gaps
15:14 - The need for intentional planning and clarity
16:37 - The importance of environment and culture on motivation
17:22 - Transition stories: CEOs and medical professionals
18:03 - Planning ahead for farm succession and estate transfer
19:03 - The importance of legal and estate planning
20:22 - Managing aging farm owners and health considerations
21:24 - Tools available for assessing wellness, confidence, and values
22:26 - Family and business values alignment exercises
23:41 - The role of congruence and authentic values in happiness and engagement
26:45 - Practical steps for clarity, communication, and intentional transition
28:02 - The impact of wellness, mental health, and self-worth on decision-making
29:49 - Embracing personal choice and living authentically
31:01 - Creating flexible, enjoyable retirement and transition options
32:02 - The power of intentional planning over reacting to circumstances
33:19 - Closing thoughts: Your ability to choose your farm's future

In this episode, I sit down with Michael Baker, CPA, Certified Financial Planner, and co-author of Financial Blind Spots, for a conversation about building financial confidence and creating more options for your farm family.
Michael shares why so many farmers overlook important financial opportunities, the value of having the right advisory team, and how planning can help protect your family, your farm, and your future.
We discuss common financial blind spots, creating a long-term vision, protecting your greatest assets, and why asking better questions leads to better decisions.
If you're ready to take control of what you can and make proactive decisions for your family's future, this episode is for you.
"Control what you can control. The only way to create possibility is to move forward. Reach out and ask questions. Just ask, ask, and ask. Eventually, you'll know." - Michael Baker, CPA
Remember, successful financial planning is a journey — one step at a time. Share this episode with your farm family and community to build confidence and strengthen your financial future together.
Resources Mentioned During This Episode
Financial Blind Spots: A Deep Dive into Farm Finance A practical guide to building financial confidence.

Values-Based Financial Planning by Bill Backrack Align your financial decisions with what matters most.

Reid Wilkie, Farm Attorney in Medicine Hat Trusted legal guidance for farm families and transitions.

About Our Guest

Michael Baker, CPA, CA, CFP, TEP, is the founder of Baker Wealth in Medicine Hat, Alberta. With over 30 years as a professional accountant, Mike has become a leader in transforming financial landscapes, and his goal is clear: to be a visionary in financial planning and tax strategy using life insurance. At the core of his work is a single value: helping others create a life they love.
He leads a balanced life and is located in Medicine Hat, AB. Mike has been happily married to Sabrina, the love of his life, for 23 years, and together they raise 16-year-old triplets — a son and two daughters. 
An accomplished athlete, he played University football for the Golden Bears and has completed seven Ironman Triathlons, bringing that same discipline and devotion to everything he does.
Contact Michael 
Visit The Baker Wealth Website 
Follow Michael on LinkedIn
Follow Michael on Facebook
Elaine Froese Resources:
Watch this episode on YouTube.
Visit the podcast website
SPEAKING - book Elaine for your next event
COACHING - explore Farm Transition Coaching
MEMBERSHIP - become a Farm Family Transition Member
FREE STUFF - downloadable tools for your farm transition
CONTACT - take the next steps in your transition
BURNING QUESTION? Submit it here
Farm Family Coach Social Media Links
Facebook
Instagram
LinkedIn
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YouTube
TikTok
Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction to Mike Baker and the topic of financial freedom for farmers
02:37 - Mike's journey from CPA to financial advisor and the book Financial Blind Spots
04:56 - The gap in financial advisory engagement among farm families
07:09 - Building a North Star: setting long-term goals amidst life's uncertainties
10:25 - Key concepts of the "Financial Pyramid" model for farm planning
13:12 - The crucial role of protection and insurance in farm succession
15:22 - How land and asset valuation affect farm transition strategies
18:02 - The longevity risks faced by farm families and the 100-year legacy plan
23:31 - Values-based planning: aligning financial decisions with family priorities
27:41 - Practical advice for an older farm family just starting to plan
32:28 - The importance of health, prevention, and early diagnosis in farm safety
35:01 - Different types of insurance: term, participating whole life, critical illness, and disability
37:46 - The complexity of disability insurance and the importance of definitions
40:30 - The use of key person insurance in farm business continuity
44:23 - Innovative insurance strategies involving land and leverage
48:26 - How to choose and vet a trustworthy financial advisor
50:27 - Next steps for farm families seeking financial clarity and freedom
52:48 - Upcoming farm finance, legal resources, and networking opportunities
54:17 - Closing thoughts: taking one step at a time toward better financial health

In this episode, I sit down with Andrew DeRuyck, farmer, mediator, and farm management specialist, for a conversation about navigating divorce, conflict, and financial uncertainty in farm families.
Drawing on decades of experience in both mediation and farm business consulting, Andrew shares how communication breakdowns, financial complexity, and unmet expectations can put enormous strain on relationships. 
Together, we explore the importance of finding common ground, improving financial literacy, and creating workable solutions that protect both people and the farm.
We also discuss why listening matters, how trust impacts decision-making, and the role mediation can play in helping families move forward with greater clarity and less conflict.
If you or someone you know is facing relationship challenges, separation, or difficult financial conversations on the farm, this episode is for you.
"When a marriage is struggling, the first place I go is common ground. Why did you get married in the first place, and how did you end up here?" - Andrew DeRuyck
Resources Mentioned During This Episode

Farm Family Coach
National Farmers Mental Health Alliance
When Sorry Is Not Enough, by Dr. Gary Chapman
About Our Guest

Andrew is a mediator, financial consultant, and farmer in southern Manitoba. He has worked for Farm Debt Mediation Service for over 20 years. Andrew and his wife Tanis began farming full-time in 2001 and were named Manitoba's outstanding young farmer of the year in 2011. He has a degree in Agriculture from the University of Manitoba and has worked for FCC, CIBC, and various chemical companies. Andrew now specializes in farm finances, divorces, and agricultural mediations.
Contact Andrew
Elaine Froese Resources:
Watch this episode on YouTube.
Visit the podcast website
SPEAKING - book Elaine for your next event
COACHING - explore Farm Transition Coaching
MEMBERSHIP - become a Farm Family Transition Member
FREE STUFF - downloadable tools for your farm transition
CONTACT - take the next steps in your transition
BURNING QUESTION? Submit it here
Farm Family Coach Social Media Links
Facebook
Instagram
LinkedIn
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YouTube
TikTok
Timestamps
00:00 - Welcome and episode overview
01:30 - Andrew's farm journey and transition from cattle to grain farming
03:21 - Introduction to farm divorce and Andrew's role in facilitating the process
04:55 - The challenge of legal costs and the importance of preparation
06:11 - The pitfalls of confrontation and advantages of active listening in mediation
07:50 - Mediation versus legal battles in farm divorce cases
09:39 - The importance of understanding intent, action, and effect in conflict resolution
11:11 - How neutrality and the role of the mediator help couples feel heard
12:21 - Common reasons why couples rush into legal action
14:21 - Organizing complex farm financial data for better decision-making
15:36 - The impact of increased land values and debt on farm finances
16:55 - Financial literacy gaps in farming and building confidence through data
18:19 - Addressing shame and embarrassment over financial unawareness
21:14 - Handling disagreements about farm assets and ways to find common ground
23:30 - Strategies for couples wanting to keep the farm intact during separation
26:34 - Creating solutions and opportunities through positive conflict behaviors
27:23 - Managing timelines and persistence in the mediation process
28:52 - The importance of trust and honesty in resolving conflicts
33:20 - Redemptive separation as a tool for addressing behavioral and relationship issues
34:53 - Age range and complexity of divorces in the farming community
36:17 - The significance of trust accounts and emotional bank accounts in relationships
37:31 - The role of admitting wrongdoing to move towards resolution
38:40 - Changes in behavior and the importance of genuine effort in reconciliation
39:37 - Protecting farm assets and the culture of transparency in families
41:05 - Building confidence in financial understanding for farm families
43:07 - The value of seeking common ground and shared goals in relationships
45:53 - Resources for mental health and relationship support
47:11 - Contact details for Andrew and available services
48:23 - Final thoughts on farm and family harmony, emphasizing relationship wealth over material assets

In this episode, I sit down with Jeremy Allen, a funeral director and grief educator, for an honest conversation about grief, loss, and how we show up for one another.
Jeremy shares a grounded perspective on supporting people through difficult moments, especially in farming communities where emotions are often left unspoken. 
Together, we explore the difference between being prepared and being ready, and why grief isn't always about death. We discuss what to say (and what not to say), and how simply being present can make a lasting impact.
If you've ever felt unsure how to support someone through loss — or how to face it yourself — this episode is for you.
"People don't need you to have the perfect words, they just need to know you're willing to stay." - Jeremy Allen
Resources Mentioned During This Episode
Death Ed - Grief and Loss Education 
Brene Brown - The Power of Vulnerability
Dr. Alan Wolfelt - Mourning & Healing
The Emotion Wheel
Bright Track Consulting
About Our Guest

Jeremy Allen is a licensed funeral director, embalmer, and manager of Gregory's Funeral Home in Provost, Alberta, but his work reaches far beyond the walls of a funeral home. Jeremy is a passionate advocate for transforming the way we understand death, grief, and the healing power of mourning.
Contact Jeremy 
Visit the Dead Ed. Website
Follow Jeremy on Instagram
Follow Jeremy on Facebook
Elaine Froese Resources:
Watch this episode on YouTube.
Visit the podcast website
SPEAKING - book Elaine for your next event
COACHING - explore Farm Transition Coaching
MEMBERSHIP - become a Farm Family Transition Member
FREE STUFF - downloadable tools for your farm transition
CONTACT - take the next steps in your transition
BURNING QUESTION? Submit it here
Farm Family Coach Social Media Links
Facebook
Instagram
LinkedIn
X
YouTube
TikTok
Timestamps
00:30 - Introduction to Jeremy Allen and the focus on grief in farming communities
02:37 - Jeremy's background in funeral service and grief education
03:39 - The difference between being involved in funerals and speaking about grief
08:30 - Personal story of grief and the importance of having documents in order
11:09 - Generational perceptions of emotion and the evolution toward emotional intelligence
16:30 - The significance of meaningful funeral rituals and community celebrations
20:37 - How relationships shape grief and legacy in farm families
23:33 - Celebrating the life of Dorothy and the power of storytelling in funerals
28:46 - Embracing vulnerability for deeper connections and trust
31:32 - How to normalize emotions and foster honest dialogue in families
37:22 - The significance of kindness and acknowledgment in funeral and grief contexts
41:59 - Contrasting emotions in grief and how they coexist simultaneously
49:07 - The importance of showing up and being present in loss
51:04 - Practical tools for initiating honest conversations and deepening relationships
52:43 - Jeremy's resources and how to connect online