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Brendan Harris, MD and CEO of Sandfire Resources, joins Money of Mine for a conversation on building a lower-beta copper company in a volatile sector.

His philosophy is clear: miners cannot control commodity prices, FX, freight, input costs, grade variability, geopolitics or market sentiment, so they must ruthlessly eliminate the volatility they can control.

We discuss why debt can be dangerous in mining, how Sandfire thinks about balance sheet strength, and why Brendan believes good mining M&A is rare. He explains what made Kalkaroo asymmetric, why Sandfire was willing to move there, and why it chose not to pursue other seemingly logical opportunities.

We also cover copper scarcity, lessons from Macquarie, BHP and South32, and how Sandfire is trying to survive the cycle, wait patiently, and move with conviction when the right opportunity appears.

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Episode recorded: 01.05.2026

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(0:00) Debt and Mining Beta
(4:10) Career Risks and Conviction
(10:00) Mentors and Market Shifts
(16:50) Commodity Cycles and Asymmetry
(25:50) Suppressing Volatility in Operations
(44:00) Empowering Global Assets
(46:40) Fixing the Balance Sheet
(48:40) Australia Mining Reality Check
(55:20) Botswana Social License
(1:03:10) Copper Outlook and Wrap

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This is a different episode for us.

Rusty Delroy is back - and this time he’s brought company in the form of Will Barker.

Rusty is the founder of Nero Resource Fund, compounding at ~26% per annum since inception in 2013.

Will leads Equus Energy, is a director of Strike Energy and Carnarvon Energy, and is a geologist with decades of experience building large-scale gas projects.

Two deep thinkers on energy in one room.In this conversation, Rusty and Will cover:

Why the real supply shock from the Strait closure has barely started
How four countries control most of global LNG supply — and why three of them are currently compromised
Australia falling from 25% of global LNG investment a decade ago to just 3%
The case for better regulation over more taxation — and the forgotten super profits tax
How Australia can seize the opportunity sitting in front of it
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Episode recorded: 1.05.2026

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(6:00) LNG Market Reset
(11:20) Australia LNG Opportunity
(21:20) Taxes, PRRT, and Policy
(46:00) Facts Over Slogans
(49:10) WA Gas Crunch Warning
(55:10) Projects That Move Supply
(1:02:10) Dorado Oil and Refining
(1:14:20) Capital, Climate, and Wrap

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Today we're sharing our conversation with natural resource fund manager David Franklyn, covering as a whole host of the commodities and company's we love chatting about.Dave walks through how the fund navigated one of the wildest quarters on record, and where conviction sits today across a portfolio spanning copper, lithium, uranium, gold, and oil & gas.This episode goes deep into how capital is managed when volatility hits.In this conversation, David covers:
Why Q2 Metals is unlikely to stay independent for long
The offshore copper case: Faraday, Marimaca, and Arizona Sonoran vs the ASX alternatives
ISO Energy as a top five holding and undervalued in the uranium sector
Gold at its lowest portfolio weighting ever
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Stocks mentioned: AEL, ASCU, BOE, LOT, CMM, ELT, FDY.NY, ISO.V, LTR, LAAC.T, MARI, PDN, PLS, QTWO, SFR, WDS, EMP

Episode recorded: 30.4.2026

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(13:00) Going Offshore for Copper Value
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Nearly a year on from the MinRes spectacular, Moz has joined us again to dive into the opportunities capturing his attention.

In keeping with his style, we go deep on special situations where the market is presenting potential value.

Our conversation centres around 4 main stocks and themes: MinRes, Stanmore, 29Metals and the energy sector.
We explore:

Why MinRes is still being priced like a lithium specc
The Anglo met coal auction: The real bidders, the likely deal structure, and why the Whitehaven parallel is instructive
Four possible outcomes for Stanmore
Queensland’s immoral coal royalty regime
Does 29Metals raise... or getting taken over?
Where the opportunities in the energy (and services) space lay

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Episode recorded: 28.4.2026.

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(8:10) Lithium Strategy and Bald Hill
(18:00) Onslow Growth and Port Dispute
(23:00) Stanmore Special Situation Setup
(39:30) Dividend Deal Logic
(41:10) Auction Outcomes and Valuation
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We need inspiration for today's episode - and it came our way.
We picked up the phone in an attempt to make sense of everything going on in this market. We called some fund managers to get clarity and ask the questions we can't get off our mind.
This episode goes deep into how smart money is positioning in uncertain times.In the episode, we discuss:
Why energy prices could stay higher for longerThe LNG supply shock
How gold has historically performed during major drawdowns
The structural shift in lithium demand
Constructing a portfolio across energy, gold, and food exposure
Specific asymmetric opportunities in gas, copper, and gold equities
Why diversification matters more than ever
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Episode recorded: 04/24/26
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(0:20) Anzac Weekend and No Plan
(4:00) Rapid Fire Market Themes
(23:30) Gold Miners Outlook
(25:00) Lithium Market Repricing
(29:00) Copper, Nickel, and Energy Shocks
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