Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast

Episode 94 – MI in Leadership and Organizations – Part 2

Glenn and Seb were excited to bring Jeff Wetherhold, M.Ed. to the podcast to discuss MI in leadership and organizations (MILO) A former behavioral science researcher trained in change management and adult learning, Jeff has spent 20+ years supporting mission-driven organizations through change. 

Research shows that 88% of organizational change efforts produce no lasting results. The most common reasons center on communication, engagement, and support. Many leaders and managers are never taught how to effectively engage others in change.

Jeff helps leaders and staff navigate change together using Motivational Interviewing (MI) as a foundation. He specializes in adapting MI for the challenges they encounter every day. His approach integrates MI with behavioral science, change management, adult learning principles, and evidence-driven communication methods.

Jeff has trained thousands of professionals in healthcare, human services, and mission-driven organizations in using MI to engage people who may be skeptical, disengaged, or experiencing change fatigue. Clients include the State of Illinois, the Institute for Healthcare Improvement, the University of Nebraska Medical Center, MIT, and the Institute for Healthcare Delivery Design.

Jeff is a board member of Motivational Interviewing in Leadership and Organizations (MILO), a faculty member with the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), a Prosci Certified Change Practitioner, and a member of the MI Network of Trainers (MINT). He holds a Master’s in Education from Harvard University.

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:37 – Jeff introduction and the challenge of organizational change

      13:30 – The importance of relationship within organizations

      17:30 – How does change happen within organizations?

      23:40 – How we work with “agency”?

      28:20 – Leadership can be lonely and how MI can help?

      34:20 – An example from the field

      43:30 – MI in Leadership and Organizations (MILO)

      50:30 – Jeff’s work around “influence with dignity”

      53:30 – Differences in training leaders and therapists 

      58:38 – End of recording 

Links and contact information:

Email: [email protected]

Website: https://www.jeffwetherhold.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wetherhold/

MI in Leadership and Organizations (MILO):  https://www.leadwithmi.org/ 

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Miranda Grattan
Marie Delorme
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Miranda Grattan and Marie Delorme to the podcast to discuss integrating body awareness and somatic therapy into MI. Marie Delorme is a Certified Motivational Trainer based in Ottawa, Canada, regularly offering MI training and coaching internationally. She is a somatic psychotherapist certified in Integrated Somatic Therapy Practice (C-ISTP™) and provides trauma-informed therapy in both in-person and virtual settings. Marie’s work integrates motivational interviewing with body-based practices such as restorative yoga, breathwork, Thai yoga massage, movement, and sound therapy. She is passionate about creating safe, supportive spaces where people can reconnect with their bodies, release stress and trauma at their own pace, and move toward greater clarity, self-compassion, and personal growth.

Miranda Grattan is a Registered Social Worker (RSW, MSW), MI trainer and consultant, and a Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner (SEP™). She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2013 and served as a coach for the MINT-endorsed online Training New Trainers (TNT) in 2025. Based in Prince George, Canada, on the unceded lands of the Lheidli T’enneh, her work is grounded in relational, decolonizing, and anti-oppressive practice. Miranda is also an approved Advanced-level Training Assistant and a beginner-level Personal Education Session Provider within Somatic Experiencing® International’s three-year professional training program.

Drawing on her years of MI practice and teaching, alongside her work as a body-oriented trauma therapist, she explores an emerging contribution within the MI community: how attention to nervous system capacity, embodiment, and neurobiology can deepen MI spirit, presence, and evocation. Her approach blends close observation of MI in action with practical guidance for nervous-system-informed communication and practice. She also facilitates neurobiologically informed professional learning across service systems, informing her understanding of motivation, capacity, and readiness in complex practice contexts.

Somatic Experiencing International (SEI) Disclaimer

The Somatic Experiencing® modality is provided for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute providing medical advice, medical treatment or tools used for diagnosing or treating a health problem or disease. Those seeking personal medical advice should consult with a licensed physician.  For more information about the Somatic Experiencing modality, please visit the website www.traumahealing.org. 

SEI does not endorse, approve, or support any specific authors, practitioners, or contributors unless explicitly stated otherwise. Views, opinions, methodologies, or practices expressed by individuals regarding SEI modalities are their own and do not necessarily reflect the official views of SEI. 

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:05 – Marie and Miranda’s introductions and early MI stories

      14:15 – Marie and Miranda’s early experiences with body focused work

      19:00 – Noticing the body when doing MI

      31:00 – Alignment of the mind, the heart, and the body

      36:45 – Integrating body awareness and MI

      46:35 – What does a body need when it is healing itself?

      56:10 – Marie demonstrating a resting somatic exercise

   1:05:15 – Miranda demonstrating an activating somatic exercise

   1:27:10 – “The body as a doorway to motivation” 

   1:28:30 – Marie working on balance and Miranda being an ice hockey mom

   1:32:46 – End of recording 

Links and contact information:

Marie Delorme

Website: https://www.mariedelorme.com

Email: [email protected]

Instagram: @mariecarmendelorme 

Miranda Grattan

Website: https://www.inneroasiscc.ca/about-me 

Email: [email protected] 

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Episode 92 – Motivational Interviewing in Oncology Cancer Care

Glenn and Sebastian were excited to have Dr. Maya Obadia on the podcast to discuss MI in oncology cancer care. Maya is a Registered Psychotherapist and a Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) certified MI trainer. She is currently a Lecturer in Kinesiology and Psychology at the University of Guelph-Humber, an affiliate of the ELLICSR Cancer and Survivorship Centre at UHN, and Director of Maya Obadia Training and Psychotherapy.  Her expertise is in MI for behaviour change in populations with chronic disease. Maya has received her doctorate from the Institute of Medical Science, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, and training at Sickkids in Toronto where she developed a MI training program for primary care physicians to use when treating children with obesity. Maya’s post doctoral fellowship training in the Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto, and at UHN, paved the way for use of MI as an integral part of Cancer Rehabilitation and Survivorship at the Princess Margaret Cancer Centre. Maya continues to be involved in curriculum writing, training and research in oncology and health related programs. She has authored research papers and book chapters. Maya continues to consult with various research institutions and non profit supporting programs and curriculums in health behaviour change. Maya offers a variety or programming and trainings both in person and online as well as speaking engagements.

Episode index:

     0:00 – Episode intro

     5:39 – Maya’s introduction and early MI story

   12:00 – Ambivalence in Oncology

   17:37 – Effective information giving using Elicit-Provide-Elicit (or Ask-Offer-Ask)

   22:10 – Supporting a person with changing needs throughout their cancer treatment

   28:15 – System-wide implementation of MI

   39:10 – The use of important and confidence rulers 

   49:00 – Trusting the MI process: “MIsting the plants”

   60:50 – Maya preparing for future trainings and travel

   53:53 – End of episode

Links and resources:

Email: [email protected] 

Website: http://mayaobadia.com/

Instagram: @drmayaphd  



CANO publication:

https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.cano-acio.ca/resource/resmgr/survivorship_modules/SurvMod_Unit_10-ENG-Sample.pdf

Relevant Citations

Ritvo P, Obadia M, Santa Mina D, Alibhai S, Sabiston C, Oh P, Campbell K, McCready D, Auger L, Jones JM. Smartphone-Enabled Health Coaching Intervention (iMOVE) to Promote Long-Term Maintenance of Physical Activity in Breast Cancer Survivors: Protocol for a Feasibility Pilot Randomized Controlled Trial. JMIR Res Protoc. 2017 Aug 24;6(8):e165. doi: 10.2196/resprot.6615. PMID: 28838886; PMCID: PMC5590009.

MacDonald AM, Chafranskaia A, Lopez CJ, Maganti M, Bernstein LJ, Chang E, Langelier DM, Obadia M, Edwards B, Oh P, Bender JL, Alibhai SM, Jones JM. CaRE @ Home: Pilot Study of an Online Multidimensional Cancer Rehabilitation and Exercise Program for Cancer Survivors. J Clin Med. 2020 Sep 25;9(10):3092. doi: 10.3390/jcm9103092. PMID: 32992759; PMCID: PMC7600555.

Flora PK, Lopez P, Mina DS, Jones JM, Brawley LR, Sabiston CM, Ferguson SE, Obadia MM, Auger LE. Feasibility and acceptability of a group-mediated exercise intervention for gynecological cancer survivors. J Psychosoc Oncol. 2022;40(6):770-789. doi: 10.1080/07347332.2021.1939474. Epub 2021 Jun 29. PMID: 34185628.

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Glenn and Seb welcomed Ken McMaster, MSW Hons, CQSW, on the podcast to discuss the use of MI for intimate partner violence. Ken has over forty years’ experience working at the cutting edge of intervention work with men who are violent and who sexually abuse.  He is known for his innovative practice ideas and the ability to translate theory into practice.  He has held positions as a member and Chair of the Family Violence Advisory Committee/ Te Rangai Whiriwhiri Tukinotanga a-Whānau. This committee was established to provide the Minister of Social Services and Employment with independent policy advice on matters related to government initiatives within the family violence arena. He was also a founding member of the National Network of Stopping Violence Services/Te Kupenga Whakaoti Mahi Putanga and is a past chair. Ken worked on the Respondent Program Regulations for the Domestic Violence Act (1995). In addition, he has worked as a part-time lecturer in Social Work at Canterbury University and is now involved full-time with HMA as manager, writer of materials and principal trainer. He has been a member of the Domestic Violence Act Program Approvals Committee for the Ministry of Justice.

Ken McMaster has published two books on Domestic Violence – A Private Affair, GP Books: Wellington (1989) and Feeling Angry, Playing Fair, Reed: Auckland, (1988).  He has co-edited a book with Arthur Wells titled Innovative Approaches to Stopping Family Violence, Steele Roberts: Wellington (2003), and with Leon Bakker titled Will they do it again: Assessing and managing risk, HMA Books: Christchurch (2006).  In 2011 Ken co-edited with David Riley Effective Interventions with Offenders, Steele Roberts: Wellington (2011).

Ken has had involvement in training dating back to 1985 and has led the design of a number of large Correctional and MI initiatives in Australia and New Zealand. Ken is a member of the MI Network of Trainers (MINT) and is currently Chair of MINT after serving as Chair of  MINT Oceania, a voluntary  group of MINT members tasked with supporting MI practice within Australia and New Zealand.

Episode Index

0:00 – Episode intro

7:09 – Ken’s introduction and early MI story

10:30 – From “What you’ve done” to “What’s your story?”

16:00 – Links to past trauma and creating safety

20:30 – Supporting practitioners

27:00 – Exploring discrepancy between values and behaviour

28:30 – Working with mandated clients

35:35 – The “Why” in MI

43:30 – Combining MI with other approaches

48:45 – Supporting the family

51:20 – Technology and innovation: using AI and apps to reduce violence

56:06 – End of episode

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Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Dougie Marks and Mairi Albiston on the podcast to discuss MI in Dentistry. Dougie’s work concerns the furthering of knowledge of the ways in which science-based practice can be used to answer one of the oldest philosophical questions: “How should we live?” He is a Health Psychologist, CBT Therapist and Lecturer in Behavioural Sciences at the University of Glasgow, where he is based in the Medical School. His work spans the areas of teaching, research, consultancy and clinical practice. He uses a biopsychosocial model to understand the human condition and works with organisations, groups, and individuals to point people towards the development of the wholly integrated self. As well as teaching and researching at the University of Glasgow, he keeps a small clinical caseload of individual clients experiencing a variety of difficulties. His approach to therapy is individualized, based on the needs of each unique client. He has worked with a variety of international organisations to help them develop their working environment in such a manner that best facilitates the psychological health of their workforce.



Mairi Albiston (MA, MSc, PhD, DClinPsy) is a Clinical Psychologist who lives in Glasgow. Mairi works as Head of Programme for Physical Health and for Supervision, within the Psychology Directorate of NHS Education for Scotland. She leads a teaching programme based on MI principles for staff working in the Scottish NHS and Partnership setting in physical health and dental settings. She qualified in 2005 and specialises in adult mental health (with a particular specialism in trauma) and physical health (including weight management, plastic surgery, stroke and cardiac specialisms). She used to work in a dental hospital in 2010 treating dental anxiety and she has a special interest in the Psychology of Dentistry. She also oversees and teaches clinical supervision skills. In her spare time she is a mad keen walker and busies herself with her 4 kids!

Episode index:

0:00 – Episode intro

4:03 – Dougie’s and Mairi’s introduction and early MI stories

14:30 – Incorporating MI in dentistry training

19:15 – Zooming out from the mouth

23:15 – Cultural shifts in training programs

29:55 – MI in dentistry evidence base: Findings and future directions

39:30 – Sequencing of change

44:00 – Speaking change into reality

49:40 – Trauma informed care in dentistry

1:06:52 – End of episode

Links and resources:

– Email: [email protected] and [email protected]

– LinkedIn: Dr Mairi Albiston and Dr Dougie Marks 

– Paper citation: Aiman H, Kilgariff JK, Marks D, Albiston M. Does motivational

interviewing have a role in dentistry? Br Dent J. 2025 Feb;238(3):166-171. doi:

10.1038/s41415-025-8319-x. Epub 2025 Feb 14. PMID: 39953022.

For suggestions, questions, and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing, contact Glenn & Sebastian:

Email: [email protected]

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