Talking To Change - A Motivational Interviewing Podcast

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Kristin Dempsey and Ali Hall to the podcast to discuss their new book entitled Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers.

Kristin Dempsey is a psychotherapist, trainer, and counselor educator in the San Francisco Bay Area. She has over 30 years’ experience working with individuals, youth, and families with challenging behavioral issues that impact their lives such as substance use disorders, co-occurring mental health and substance use disorders, trauma symptoms, and unresolved grief. Kristin believes that each individual has unlimited ability to change and grow, and she enjoys exploring the complexities of complex challenges and how to approach them with compassion and curiosity. Kristin has taught many classes in the counselor education curriculum, and she is currently focused on practitioner skill development, substance use disorder treatment, and effective practices in community mental health. Kristin is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), and she currently teaches MI to behavioral health and other allied human services professionals. She is an adjunct professor at the Wright Institute’s Counseling Psychology Program and lecturing faculty at San Francisco State University. Kristin is the author of The Harm Reduction Workbook for Addiction (New Harbinger, 2024), co-author of Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Professionals (PESI, April 2026), and a writer for The Mental Health and Substance Use Recovery Workbook (New Harbinger, May 2027).



Ali Hall is a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT), a MINT Certified Trainer, and an independent consultant and trainer. 

Ali has designed and facilitated thousands of MI workshops for a wide variety of providers, including those who serve within criminal justice systems, behavioral health, substance use recovery, mental health, health care, children/family services and wraparound, and has served multiple Training for New Trainers events. Ali regularly provides skill development coaching for interdisciplinary provider teams. Ali is the co-developer of the Motivational Interviewing Competency Assessment (MICA), a coding and coaching tool for MI skill improvement, co-author of the book Motivational Interviewing for Mental Health Clinicians: A Toolkit for Skill Development (2021), developer of the Cultivating Hope activity deck (2025) and co-author of Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers (2026).



Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:12 – Kristin and Ali’s introductions and early MI stories

      13:20 – Early process of writing their book

      27:00 – “What’s the problem?” and “The assessment trap”

      38:10 – Macro MI: Addressing systemic issues when doing MI

      53:30 – Other key topics such as web-based interventions and “I only have 5 minutes”

   1:02:30 – Kristin writing and relearning music and Ali swimming and writing a new children’s book

   1:08:43 – End of recording 

Links and contact information:

Kristin Dempsey

Website: https://www.kristindempseycounseling.com/ 

Book webpage: https://www.kristindempseycounseling.com/kristins-book-advancing-motivational- 

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristin-dempsey-ed-d-lpcc-lmft-322812a/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057356474362

Substack: https://substack.com/@kristindempseytherapist

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kristin_d_author_trainer?utm_source=qr

Macro MI Substack: https://substack.com/@ali1850709/note/p-194642379?r=1tfnrv&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

Email: kristin@kristindempseycounseling.com 

Ali Hall

Website: www.alihalltraining.com

MINT Profile: https://motivationalinterviewing.org/profile/AliHall

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali-hall-9b19772/

To watch promo video for Ali & Kristin’s book Advancing MI Skills for Mental Health Providers click HERE

Click Here to Access A Sample Activity From Advancing Motivational Interviewing: An Experiential Skills Guide for Mental Health Providers. 

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Glenn and Sebastian welcomed back Katie Hartlieb, PhD, RDN, to discuss advancing MI practice through coding and coaching. Dr. Hartlieb is a professor and program director of the Master of Science in Functional Nutrition at Parker University, in Dallas, Texas, for professionals seeking to create holistic, science-based health partnerships for optimal patient wellness.  She has been an active member of MINT for over 15 years and was named a Pediatric Obesity Subject Matter Expert by the Commission on Dietetics Registration. Her research interests include improving health behavior change conversations and family empowerment to achieve healthy lifestyles.

Dr. Hartlieb specializes in MI coding, coaching, and strengthening the MI standardized patient experience internationally, collaborating with organizations like the Wisconsin Human Service MI Implementation Team and the Japanese Association for Motivational Interviewing (JAMI). She resides with her family in Northern Michigan, USA, where nature time and eating the rainbow are daily pursuits and serves on the Board of Directors for the Grain Train Community Food Cooperative.

 Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:38 – Role play 

      27:14 – Katie’s journey into MI and using coding to enhance practice 

      33:10 – Coding and coaching using the MI Treatment Integrity Code (MITI)           

      38:40 – Coaching session between Katie and Seb

   1:06:00 – Coaching session debrief

   1:25:50 – Katie’s projects in Asia 

   1:27:50 – End of recording 

Links and contact information:

Email: kathryn.hartlieb@gmail.com

Website: https://hartliebnutrition.com/ 

MITI Manual: https://motivationalinterviewing.org/sites/default/files/miti4_2.pdf

Sebastian Smoking Podcast MITI Report: https://www.glennhinds.com/sebastian-smoking-podcast-miti-report/

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Episode 94 – MI in Leadership and Organizations – Part 2

Glenn and Seb were excited to bring Jeff Wetherhold, M.Ed. to the podcast to discuss MI in leadership and organizations (MILO) A former behavioral science researcher trained in change management and adult learning, Jeff has spent 20+ years supporting mission-driven organizations through change. 

Research shows that 88% of organizational change efforts produce no lasting results. The most common reasons center on communication, engagement, and support. Many leaders and managers are never taught how to effectively engage others in change.

Jeff helps leaders and staff navigate change together using Motivational Interviewing (MI) as a foundation. He specializes in adapting MI for the challenges they encounter every day. His approach integrates MI with behavioral science, change management, adult learning principles, and evidence-driven communication methods.

Jeff has trained thousands of professionals in healthcare, human services, and mission-driven organizations in using MI to engage people who may be skeptical, disengaged, or experiencing change fatigue. Clients include the State of Illinois, the Institute for Healthcare Improvement, the University of Nebraska Medical Center, MIT, and the Institute for Healthcare Delivery Design.

Jeff is a board member of Motivational Interviewing in Leadership and Organizations (MILO), a faculty member with the Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI), a Prosci Certified Change Practitioner, and a member of the MI Network of Trainers (MINT). He holds a Master’s in Education from Harvard University.

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:37 – Jeff introduction and the challenge of organizational change

      13:30 – The importance of relationship within organizations

      17:30 – How does change happen within organizations?

      23:40 – How we work with “agency”?

      28:20 – Leadership can be lonely and how MI can help?

      34:20 – An example from the field

      43:30 – MI in Leadership and Organizations (MILO)

      50:30 – Jeff’s work around “influence with dignity”

      53:30 – Differences in training leaders and therapists 

      58:38 – End of recording 

Links and contact information:

Email: jeff@miforhealth.com

Website: https://www.jeffwetherhold.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wetherhold/

MI in Leadership and Organizations (MILO):  https://www.leadwithmi.org/ 

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Miranda Grattan
Marie Delorme
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Miranda Grattan and Marie Delorme to the podcast to discuss integrating body awareness and somatic therapy into MI. Marie Delorme is a Certified Motivational Trainer based in Ottawa, Canada, regularly offering MI training and coaching internationally. She is a somatic psychotherapist certified in Integrated Somatic Therapy Practice (C-ISTP™) and provides trauma-informed therapy in both in-person and virtual settings. Marie’s work integrates motivational interviewing with body-based practices such as restorative yoga, breathwork, Thai yoga massage, movement, and sound therapy. She is passionate about creating safe, supportive spaces where people can reconnect with their bodies, release stress and trauma at their own pace, and move toward greater clarity, self-compassion, and personal growth.

Miranda Grattan is a Registered Social Worker (RSW, MSW), MI trainer and consultant, and a Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner (SEP™). She has been a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2013 and served as a coach for the MINT-endorsed online Training New Trainers (TNT) in 2025. Based in Prince George, Canada, on the unceded lands of the Lheidli T’enneh, her work is grounded in relational, decolonizing, and anti-oppressive practice. Miranda is also an approved Advanced-level Training Assistant and a beginner-level Personal Education Session Provider within Somatic Experiencing® International’s three-year professional training program.

Drawing on her years of MI practice and teaching, alongside her work as a body-oriented trauma therapist, she explores an emerging contribution within the MI community: how attention to nervous system capacity, embodiment, and neurobiology can deepen MI spirit, presence, and evocation. Her approach blends close observation of MI in action with practical guidance for nervous-system-informed communication and practice. She also facilitates neurobiologically informed professional learning across service systems, informing her understanding of motivation, capacity, and readiness in complex practice contexts.

Somatic Experiencing International (SEI) Disclaimer

The Somatic Experiencing® modality is provided for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute providing medical advice, medical treatment or tools used for diagnosing or treating a health problem or disease. Those seeking personal medical advice should consult with a licensed physician.  For more information about the Somatic Experiencing modality, please visit the website www.traumahealing.org. 

SEI does not endorse, approve, or support any specific authors, practitioners, or contributors unless explicitly stated otherwise. Views, opinions, methodologies, or practices expressed by individuals regarding SEI modalities are their own and do not necessarily reflect the official views of SEI. 

Episode Index:

        0:00 – Opening and episode introduction 

        7:05 – Marie and Miranda’s introductions and early MI stories

      14:15 – Marie and Miranda’s early experiences with body focused work

      19:00 – Noticing the body when doing MI

      31:00 – Alignment of the mind, the heart, and the body

      36:45 – Integrating body awareness and MI

      46:35 – What does a body need when it is healing itself?

      56:10 – Marie demonstrating a resting somatic exercise

   1:05:15 – Miranda demonstrating an activating somatic exercise

   1:27:10 – “The body as a doorway to motivation” 

   1:28:30 – Marie working on balance and Miranda being an ice hockey mom

   1:32:46 – End of recording 

Links and contact information:

Marie Delorme

Website: https://www.mariedelorme.com

Email: Marie.c.delorme@gmail.com

Instagram: @mariecarmendelorme 

Miranda Grattan

Website: https://www.inneroasiscc.ca/about-me 

Email: mirandagrattan@gmail.com 

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Episode 92 – Motivational Interviewing in Oncology Cancer Care

Glenn and Sebastian were excited to have Dr. Maya Obadia on the podcast to discuss MI in oncology cancer care. Maya is a Registered Psychotherapist and a Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) certified MI trainer. She is currently a Lecturer in Kinesiology and Psychology at the University of Guelph-Humber, an affiliate of the ELLICSR Cancer and Survivorship Centre at UHN, and Director of Maya Obadia Training and Psychotherapy.  Her expertise is in MI for behaviour change in populations with chronic disease. Maya has received her doctorate from the Institute of Medical Science, Faculty of Medicine, University of Toronto, and training at Sickkids in Toronto where she developed a MI training program for primary care physicians to use when treating children with obesity. Maya’s post doctoral fellowship training in the Department of Psychiatry, University of Toronto, and at UHN, paved the way for use of MI as an integral part of Cancer Rehabilitation and Survivorship at the Princess Margaret Cancer Centre. Maya continues to be involved in curriculum writing, training and research in oncology and health related programs. She has authored research papers and book chapters. Maya continues to consult with various research institutions and non profit supporting programs and curriculums in health behaviour change. Maya offers a variety or programming and trainings both in person and online as well as speaking engagements.

Episode index:

     0:00 – Episode intro

     5:39 – Maya’s introduction and early MI story

   12:00 – Ambivalence in Oncology

   17:37 – Effective information giving using Elicit-Provide-Elicit (or Ask-Offer-Ask)

   22:10 – Supporting a person with changing needs throughout their cancer treatment

   28:15 – System-wide implementation of MI

   39:10 – The use of important and confidence rulers 

   49:00 – Trusting the MI process: “MIsting the plants”

   60:50 – Maya preparing for future trainings and travel

   53:53 – End of episode

Links and resources:

Email: maya@mayaobadia.com 

Website: http://mayaobadia.com/

Instagram: @drmayaphd  



CANO publication:

https://cdn.ymaws.com/www.cano-acio.ca/resource/resmgr/survivorship_modules/SurvMod_Unit_10-ENG-Sample.pdf

Relevant Citations

Ritvo P, Obadia M, Santa Mina D, Alibhai S, Sabiston C, Oh P, Campbell K, McCready D, Auger L, Jones JM. Smartphone-Enabled Health Coaching Intervention (iMOVE) to Promote Long-Term Maintenance of Physical Activity in Breast Cancer Survivors: Protocol for a Feasibility Pilot Randomized Controlled Trial. JMIR Res Protoc. 2017 Aug 24;6(8):e165. doi: 10.2196/resprot.6615. PMID: 28838886; PMCID: PMC5590009.

MacDonald AM, Chafranskaia A, Lopez CJ, Maganti M, Bernstein LJ, Chang E, Langelier DM, Obadia M, Edwards B, Oh P, Bender JL, Alibhai SM, Jones JM. CaRE @ Home: Pilot Study of an Online Multidimensional Cancer Rehabilitation and Exercise Program for Cancer Survivors. J Clin Med. 2020 Sep 25;9(10):3092. doi: 10.3390/jcm9103092. PMID: 32992759; PMCID: PMC7600555.

Flora PK, Lopez P, Mina DS, Jones JM, Brawley LR, Sabiston CM, Ferguson SE, Obadia MM, Auger LE. Feasibility and acceptability of a group-mediated exercise intervention for gynecological cancer survivors. J Psychosoc Oncol. 2022;40(6):770-789. doi: 10.1080/07347332.2021.1939474. Epub 2021 Jun 29. PMID: 34185628.

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