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    #360 Michael Howell: We've Hit An Inflection Point — We're In The Speculation Phase And Turbulence Is Coming For Markets

    17/04/2026 | 1h 2 mins.
    Michael Howell, CEO of CrossBorder Capital, an investment advisory firm, and author of Capital Wars, returns to The Julia La Roche Show, returns seven months after his last appearance to update his Global Liquidity call. The peak he flagged for Q3 2025 has held, and the cycle now points to a trough in 2027. Despite the Iran conflict and market volatility, Michael argues the world economy is actually holding up better than the media suggests — but that's almost the problem, because money flowing into the real economy is draining it from financial markets. He explains why the current rally is phoney, why bond term premia falling is actually a flight to safety signal not a selloff, and why we're in the Speculation phase — where economies feel strongest right before things get difficult. He walks through his full asset allocation traffic light system, the debt liquidity nexus, why the Fed and Treasury may be secretly targeting the MOVE index to protect the basis trade and collateral system, the COVID-era debt maturity wall now coming due, and why raising interest rates in today's world may actually be stimulative — not contractionary — because the government is the biggest borrower and higher rates just transfer more income to the private sector. He closes on Treasury QE replacing Fed QE and what it means for Bitcoin.

    Links: 
    Website: http://www.crossbordercapital.com/
    Twitter/X https://x.com/crossbordercap
    Substack: https://capitalwars.substack.com/
    Book: https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Wars-Rise-Global-Liquidity/dp/3030392902

    00:00 — Introduction and welcome back Michael
    01:15 — Where we are in the liquidity cycle — asset allocation clock and the five to six year cycle
    05:15 — Julia asks about the phoney rally — Michael digs in
    05:35 — The AI-based World GDP model — Iran far less damaging than tariffs or COVID
    09:37 — All money anywhere must be somewhere — why a stronger real economy drains financial markets
    13:18 — The sine wave estimated 25 years ago — peak Q3 2025, trough 2027
    15:37 — Daily granular liquidity data — the downtrend confirmed
    17:16 — How to stay positioned without getting whipsawed by relief rallies
    18:49 — What bonds are really saying — breaking down term premia vs policy rates
    22:42 — The Speculation phase — economies feel strongest right before it gets hard
    23:45 — The yield curve as liquidity barometer — why steepening consensus was wrong
    27:15 — The winter analogy — don't go outside in a swimsuit during winter
    29:40 — The asset allocation traffic lights — what to own at each phase
    33:51 — Julia asks what gets exposed when the tide goes out
    34:27 — The debt liquidity nexus — 80% of transactions are refinancing, 77% of lending is collateral based
    36:53 — The MOVE index — why bond volatility governs the entire collateral multiplier
    37:49 — Why Michael thinks the Fed and Treasury are quietly targeting the MOVE index
    40:30 — What happens if they stop capping it — basis trade collapses, collateral doom loop
    42:18 — The debt maturity wall — COVID debt turned out to end of decade, now coming back
    48:34 — The Fed is preoccupied with the wrong tool — the world has fundamentally changed
    51:00 — The Alice in Wonderland problem — raising rates today is actually stimulative
    53:00 — Kevin Warsh and the balance sheet — why slashing it is impractical right now
    54:23 — Treasury QE replacing Fed QE — short end issuance, monetization into real economy
    57:17 — Bitcoin and crypto — Treasury QE stabilization vs the bigger falling liquidity force
    01:00:02 — Final thoughts — count liquidity, get corroboration, don't rely on one club
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    #359 Chris Whalen: No Vision of Victory in Iran, Housing Has Peaked (For Now) & Time To Buy Gold

    11/04/2026 | 33 mins.
    In this episode of The Wrap, Chris Whalen says the US has no vision of victory in Iran — like Afghanistan and Vietnam, we went in without knowing what winning looks like and are now backing down without reopening the Strait of Hormuz. The Trump administration went from threatening to destroy Iranian civilization to total capitulation in weeks, leaving the Saudis and Israelis furious. Meanwhile Iran is extorting $1 per barrel in yuan or bitcoin to let ships through, China is standing behind the curtain in Pakistan pulling the strings, and even if the ceasefire holds it could take a year before energy and byproduct flows normalize. On housing, Whalen calls the peak — Q1 2026 was probably it — and says the answer to what happens to home prices is "nada to lower," with Houston and Clearwater already seeing serious erosion and the broader market heading for years of sideways action. Rising energy prices mean the Fed is forced to wait on cuts, making 2026 a very different year than 2025. His portfolio is defensive — income assets, Annaly, and gold is his only high-conviction trade. He bought more gold the morning of the recording and says both gold and silver remain asymmetric bull trades given supply constraints and Asia's dominance as the new price setter for precious metals.

    Thank you to our partners at Goldco. Get your free 2026 Gold & Silver Kit at https://goldco.com/thewrap

    Links:    
    The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/ 
    The Wrap: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira832
    Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen    

    Use the code TheWrap2026 for 25% off your first year of The Institutional Risk Analyst https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/plans-pricing

    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Introduction & kicking off with this week's Wrap
    0:52 - Trump's "total capitulation" on Iran — from threatening to destroy Iranian civilization to ceasefire
    2:10 - The winners & losers
    5:00 - The China-US story — why should Beijing help Trump?
    6:20 - The dollar narrative — why Whalen is skeptical of the "end of the dollar" story
    7:40 - Gold still outperforming US stocks over the past 12 months
    8:10 - Whalen bought gold this morning — still his only high conviction trade
    10:18 - China's Treasury holdings — trading securities for cash deposits, not dumping dollars
    11:20 - Yuan and Bitcoin
    14:38 - Inflation and no rate cut at the April FOMC
    15:32 - 2026 is going to be a very different year than 2025
    16:10 - Whalen's portfolio right now — risk off, income generating, precious metals
    16:45 - Liquidated Chevron and Williams
    17:48 - Gold and silver as asymmetrical bull trades — monetary vs commercial case
    19:31 - The mortgage roundtable in Washington — volumes are going to fall
    20:00 - MBA projects 0.6% home price growth — flat to slightly down
    23:39 - "Do you think we've seen a peak in home prices?" — "Yes"
    24:43 - Misery on the eights — prolonged period of low or no price appreciation
    26:18 - Why Whalen changed his view — supply still hasn't caught up 28:00 - Viewer Mail: Oil producer stocks — should you take profits?
    29:20 - Viewer Mail: Tokenization of stocks and ETFs
    32:05 - What Whalen is watching next week
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    #358 Danielle DiMartino Booth: The Fed Knows the Data Is Broken, Private Credit Is Contagious, and Nobody Is Fighting for American Families

    09/04/2026 | 33 mins.
    Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO of QI Research and former Fed insider, joins Julia to sound the alarm on a U.S. economy she believes is being misread, misreported, and mismanaged. From growing divisions inside the FOMC to deeply troubling labor market signals — including an ISM non-manufacturing employment reading of 45.2 last seen during the Great Recession — Danielle lays out why she believes the Fed is falling dangerously behind. She breaks down the private credit contagion risk, why only 25% of unemployed Americans are collecting benefits, and how student loan repayments, rising gas prices, and tightening lending standards are quietly crushing working families. With a midterm election on the horizon and consumer sentiment crumbling across all income levels, Danielle argues the stakes have never been higher — and that someone needs to start speaking up for everyday Americans.

    Links:
    Danielle's Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/dimartinobooth
    Substack: https://dimartinobooth.substack.com/
    YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DanielleDiMartinoBoothQI
    Fed Up: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Insiders-Federal-Reserve/dp/0735211655

    Timestamps:
    0:00 Welcome back Danielle DiMartino Booth
    01:00 FOMC minutes: Even more division inside the Fed
    4:47 – What happens if no Fed chair gets confirmed?
    7:19 – Is the Fed ignoring everyday Americans?
    8:51 – ISM data parallels to 2001, 2007, and the Great Recession
    10:53 – Job insecurity hitting ALL income levels
    15:26 – Stagflation or just stagnation? Danielle breaks it down
    16:38 – Are we headed for a policy error? Private credit warning
    18:18 – The 10-year Treasury, Iran, and the liquidity threat
    20:48 – Private credit contagion: What's not getting enough attention
    23:16 – Buy Now, Pay Later and gig workers getting crushed
    25:42 – Only 25% of unemployed Americans are collecting benefits
    27:23 – The Fed knows the data is broken — so why won't they say it?
    28:35 – April FOMC: Rate cuts off the table?
    29:34 – Danielle on who she's fighting for
    30:31 – What investors don't understand about the real cost of living
    31:58 – Parting thoughts: Spread kindness
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    #357 Henrik Zeberg: "We Have Not Seen The Top Yet" — Why The Nasdaq Could Rally 30%

    08/04/2026 | 59 mins.
    Henrik Zeberg, head macro economist at SwissBlock and author of The Monetary House of Cards, returns for his quarterly update. Despite clear deterioration in the labor market — where he argues real unemployment is closer to 5.4% than the reported 4.3% — Henrik is not calling a market top yet. In fact, he sees a 30%+ rally still ahead in the Nasdaq, echoing the 25% surge in mid-2007 and the 45% explosion in 2000, both of which happened right before everything fell apart. He breaks down why the Fed is repeating the exact same mistake as 2007, why PMI numbers are widely misunderstood, and why private credit is the new subprime — only this time the dominoes are lined up in a dark room and nobody knows who's exposed to what. He also shares his current positioning and his outlook for gold and silver.

    Links:
    X: https://x.com/HenrikZeberg
    Substack: https://henrikzeberg.substack.com/
    Book: https://buy.stripe.com/aFacN62DQdYFbZt9APaR201
    TEDx: https://youtu.be/DAmoawIOMbs?si=Infb0cLi8YPxdX4H

    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Intro and welcome back Henrik
    1:23 - Macro view: economy slower than expected, the jobs reality
    3:46 - Why Henrik doesn't trust the jobs numbers
    8:44 - Why PMI is one of the most misunderstood indicators 1
    0:21 - What's keeping the market propped up
    11:00 - Consumer delinquencies and private credit cracks
    13:26 - The final blow-off rally: are we still in it?
    16:36 - The 2000 and 2007 parallels: Nasdaq surges right before the crash
    8:15 - "We have not seen the top" — 30%+ rally still ahead
    20:29 - Is Henrik buying the dip right now?
    25:30 - The Titanic
    28:46 - The Fed making the same mistake as 2007
    34:09 - Private credit: the new subprime
    38:27 - Why the next crisis will be harder to backstop than 2008
    40:47 - The greatest Fed policy mistake in history
    44:16 - What the Fed should have done
    46:29 - 2007 flashback: 125 basis points in a single month
    48:46 - The Zeberg Business Cycle Model explained
    53:59 - Gold and silver: why he expects a major decline from here
    56:12 - Henrik's current positioning: fully risk-on
    57:27 - Parting thoughts
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    #356 Chris Whalen: The Fed Can't Fix This

    04/04/2026 | 37 mins.
    In this episode of The Wrap, Chris Whalen says this selloff is worse than Liberation Day because it's real economic dislocation — not just a market surprise — driven by the Iran war's devastating knock-on effects on energy, chemicals and global supply chains. He says the Fed should do nothing, because this inflation is caused by war not monetary policy and central banks can't fix a sulfur shortage. But he warns QE is coming anyway — "the question is not if, but when" — because Congress refuses to deal with the deficit and the Fed will eventually be forced to monetize the debt. He's been cutting market exposure, raising cash, and buying physical metals on the dip. On private credit he sees a slow-motion trainwreck with a Lehman moment still possible, and says Washington is going to make it worse by ignoring it.

    Thank you to our partners at Goldco. Get your free 2026 Gold & Silver Kit at https://goldco.com/thewrap

    Links:    
    The Institutional Risk Analyst: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/ 
    The Wrap: https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/post/theira826
    Inflated book (2nd edition): https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/inflated-r-christopher-whalen/1146303673
    Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/rcwhalen    

    Use the code TheWrap2026 for 25% off your first year of The Institutional Risk Analyst https://www.theinstitutionalriskanalyst.com/plans-pricing

    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Intro and welcome Chris
    01:00 - The Fed should do nothing — you can't fight war inflation with rate hikes
    2:39 - Why this inflation is fundamentally different from 2021
    3:03 - Powell got it wrong on QE — and Trump totally mishandled the situation
    4:12 - The rationale for doing nothing — the dual mandate is the problem
    5:12 - Jobs report — 178,000 jobs added, unemployment at 4.3%
    8:02 - M2 is expanding — this economy keeps going regardless of policymakers
    9:01 - Are we headed for a recession?
    10:06 - The John Dizard interview — diesel is the real key to the global economy
    12:54 - Even if the war ends tomorrow — damage will take months or years to fix
    20:00 - Whalen has been cutting market exposure and raising cash
    20:28 - Is this worse than Liberation Day? "I think it is — much more significant"
    21:29 - Why gold and silver sold off — Gulf states raising cash
    22:41 - What's behind the dollar rebound
    23:28 - QE is coming — "not if, but when"
    25:09 - Viewer Mail: Second and third order impacts of the oil surge on liquidity
    26:47 - Viewer Mail: Can private credit break all at once?
    28:16 - Viewer Mail: Should I lock my mortgage rate now?
    29:05 - Viewer Mail: Rising long-term rates and Annaly — what am I missing?
    30:31 - Viewer Mail: What can Treasury do to help private credit?
    32:06 - Is it too late to do anything about private credit?
    34:07 - What Whalen is watching next week — credit, Treasury market, mortgage rates

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Julia La Roche brings her listeners in-depth conversations with some of the top CEOs, investors, founders, academics, and rising stars in business. Guests on "The Julia La Roche Show" have included Bill Ackman, Ray Dalio, Marc Benioff, Kyle Bass, Hugh Hendry, Nassim Taleb, Nouriel Roubini, David Friedberg, Anthony Scaramucci, Scott Galloway, Brent Johnson, Jim Rickards, Danielle DiMartino Booth, Carol Roth, Neil Howe, Jim Rogers, Jim Bianco, Josh Brown, and many more. Julia always makes the show about the guest, never the host. She speaks less and listens more. She always does her homework.
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