#270 David Rosenberg: Nobody Sees the Recession Coming - But It's Already Here
David Rosenberg, founder and president of Rosenberg Research, believes recession odds are higher than 2022 despite nobody expecting one, pointing to Fed staff forecasting 50% recession probability and the most downbeat Beige Book since 1980. Rosenberg criticizes Powell for calling the economy "solid" while real GDP has been negative sequentially in 2 of the past 3 months and survey data suggests 1% contraction. He highlights a major market dichotomy with stocks up 24% while the dollar is in an 11% bear market, suggesting something is fundamentally wrong. The housing market faces a negative wealth effect as supply-demand gaps widen and prices start cracking.Sponsors: Monetary Metals: https://monetary-metals.com/julia Kalshi: https://kalshi.com/julia Links: https://rosenbergresearch.com/https://x.com/EconguyRosieTimestamps: 00:01 - Introduction: Dave Rosenberg, founder and president of Rosenberg Research 00:49 - "Meat grinder roller coaster ride" - elevated policy uncertainty02:15 - Tail risks removed: no trade war, regional conflict, or fiscal cliff05:35 - S&P 500 multiple expansion: 18 to 22 in three months (4 sigma event) 08:30 - Housing market in "huge state of disarray" - prices starting to crack11:22 - Survey data consistent with economy contracting at 1% annual rate13:20 - Real GDP negative sequentially in 2 of past 3 months 15:24 - Nobody talking about recession despite higher odds than 202218:18 - Recession probabilities are binary - "zero or 100, not 60% pregnant" 21:18 - Mistakes from 2022-2023: didn't anticipate fiscal stimulus scale25:34 - Big beautiful bill not stimulative - just extending status quo 28:20 - Housing supply-demand gap widening, negative wealth effect coming32:42 - S&P 500 became growth index, small caps still in correction 36:00 - Fed staff said recession odds equal to GDP baseline forecast (50%)38:56 - Beige book: economy declining slightly, more downbeat than 200744:32 - Powell calling economy "solid" despite weak data - credibility issue48:04 - Fed damaged by "transitory" mistake, protecting legacy 55:17 - Next Fed Chair speculation: wants someone he can "push around"59:04 - US dollar down 11% in bear market while stocks up 24% 01:04:13 - Closing: importance of liquidity and diversification
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#269 Luke Gromen: The Fiscal Situation Is Completely Cooked - Powell Faces Impossible Choice, Get Out of Government Bonds Into Hard Assets
Luke Gromen, founder of FFTT, joins the Julia La Roche Show for episode 269 for his latest macro update. Gromen argues the US government is in fiscal dominance, spending over 100% of tax receipts on entitlements and interest payments alone. He says Fed Chair Powell faces a binary choice between crushing the dollar through inflation or crushing the bond market through higher rates. Gromen notes that funding currency relationships between the yen and dollar have broken down, signaling both central banks are cornered. He advocates getting out of government bonds and into hard assets like gold and Bitcoin, predicting that retail investors holding long-term Treasuries will be the biggest losers. Gromen believes Trump officials are "begging" for rate cuts because they know the fiscal math doesn't work without negative real interest rates.Sponsors: Monetary Metals: https://monetary-metals.com/julia Kalshi: https://kalshi.com/julia Links: website: https://fftt-llc.com/ Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/lukegromen00:00 Introduction and welcome back Luke Gromen01:01 Funding currency relationships breaking down 07:58 Meta trade: exit government bonds, buy hard assets 12:27 Gold still early - central banks driving demand 14:47 Trump officials begging for rate cuts - Fed cornered 16:56 Stablecoin plan requires much higher Bitcoin 20:33 Dollar/bond correlations broken - foreigners selling Treasuries 27:11 Powell's binary choice: crush dollar or bonds 34:14 Fiscal dominance: interest expense >95% of receipts 37:08 DOGE failed - needed dollar devaluation first 39:25 Portfolio: overweight gold, Bitcoin45:18 Two scenarios: Powell cuts vs. doesn't cut rates 48:54 Retail investors stuck holding long-term bonds 52:04 Closing remarks
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#268 Michael Pento: The Grand Reconciliation Coming - Credit, Stock, and Real Estate Bubbles Will Burst
Michael Pento, president and founder of Pento Portfolio Strategies (PPS), joins Julia La Roche on episode 268, warning of a coming "grand reconciliation" where credit, stock, and real estate bubbles will burst. He argues the US debt is unsustainable, with the next recession triggering $4-6 trillion annual deficits. Pento predicts Trump will replace Powell with an "obsequious sycophant" in May 2026 who will slash rates to zero, causing long-term rates to spike and creating a "debt death spiral." He recommends hard assets like gold and platinum, which he expects will "scream higher" in 2026, and emphasizes the critical importance of active management to navigate the coming crisis.Sponsors: Monetary Metals: https://monetary-metals.com/julia Kalshi: https://kalshi.com/julia Links: https://pentoport.com/ https://twitter.com/michaelpento0:00 Intro and welcome Michael01:01 - Macro picture06:16 - Grand reconciliation coming: debt, real estate, stocks 11:27 - Case for platinum and gold - platinum breakout 14:32 - Hard assets will "scream higher" in 2026 17:11 - Fed should be defunct - market should set rates 22:08 - Next recession: deficit jumps to $4-6 trillion 25:21 - US debt32:29 - 202634:38 - Next Fed chair will be "obsequious sycophant" 38:03 - Closing remarks
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#267 Danielle DiMartino Booth & George Goncalves: Fed Is 'Behind the Curve' as We're Already in Recession and There's More Than One Economy in America
Danielle DiMartino Booth, CEO and Chief Strategist at QI Research, and George Goncalves, Head of U.S. Macro Strategy at MUFG, join Julia La Roche in-studio on FOMC day, where they break down the Fed's decision to leave rates unchanged, the state of the economy, and the interest rate outlook.Sponsors: Monetary Metals: https://monetary-metals.com/julia Kalshi: https://kalshi.com/julia Links: https://www.mufgresearch.com/ George's Twitter/X: https://x.com/bondstrategist QI Research: https://quillintelligence.com/subscriptions/ Danielle's Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/dimartinobooth Substack: https://dimartinobooth.substack.com/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@UCYPBim2ARV9Yrqci0ljokFA Fed Up: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Up-Insiders-Federal-Reserve/dp/073521165500:00 - Danielle: Fed "willfully blind" to economic reality 02:52 - Record 5.3% of Americans working multiple jobs 05:00 - Real unemployment is 4.5-4.6%, not reported 4.2% 08:07 - Debate: Is the Fed being political? 10:00 - George: "More than one economy" - rates hurting different groups 16:28 - Net worth declined via both stocks and real estate in Q1 21:57 - Interest expense is fastest growing budget item 26:06 - Next Fed Chair prediction: Waller, Warsh, Bessent front-runners 32:12 - Corporate bankruptcies highest since 2010 38:49 - Danielle: US entered recession Q1 2024, back in one now 40:26 - Top 10% of earners drive 49.7% of consumption 43:52 - What keeps them up at night: False sense of security
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#266 Rick Rule: '10 Years of Reckoning' Ahead - Why Gold Could Hit $10,000
Rick Rule, president and CEO of Rule Investment Media and co-founder of Battle Bank, joins the Julia La Roche Show for episode 266 for his quarterly appearance. In this episode, Rule predicts the US dollar will lose 75% of its purchasing power over the next decade, similar to the 1970s crisis. He explains that $130 trillion in total government liabilities against $141 trillion in private wealth creates unsolvable math that can only be resolved through inflation. Rule calls Trump's presidency a failure, dismissing DOGE as fiction and tariffs as harmful taxes. He believes the US is already in recession based on oil prices and recommends gold (potentially $10,000+), uranium, and copper investments. Drawing parallels to 1968-1980, Rule expects 10-12 years of economic difficulty but says America's culture will survive. His main message: individuals must prepare financially because government support systems are unsustainable.Sponsors: Monetary Metals. https://monetary-metals.com/julia Kalshi: https://kalshi.com/juliaSymposium: https://registration.allintheloop.net/register/event/rick-rule-symposium-2025-ccha?via=juliaTimestamps:0:00 Welcome and intro00:41 - Rule Natural Resources Symposium (July 7-11, Boca Raton)04:32 - Trump presidency assessment: DOGE failure, tariffs are taxes07:47 - 10-12 years of reckoning ahead, comparing to 1970s crisis09:34 - Prediction: US dollar will decline 75% over next decade11:46 - $130 trillion total debt vs $141 trillion private net worth18:44 - CPI vs real inflation - why the math doesn't work22:55 - Why DOGE was fiction from the start28:51 - Gold moving on purchasing power fears, could hit $10,000+38:43 - Copper supply shortages despite near-term economic weakness40:47 - "I believe we're in a recession" - oil prices signal soft demand44:31 - Fed rate cuts would signal abandoning dollar defense47:12 - Silver phases: gold leads, then generalist investors drive silver explosive moves50:23 - Uranium as "total no brainer" - billion people need electricity54:13 - Next decade different from benign 1982-2022 period55:00 - Personal responsibility: invest in yourself, society won't help
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