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How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty

Emma Mclean
How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty
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  • It’s Good to Talk: Mental Load, Masculinity & The Power of Conversation with Aidan Kryke Smith
    How often do dads get real about what’s going on in their heads?In this episode, I sit down with Aidan Kryke Smith, founder of Dadventure, to unpack the often-unspoken world of fatherhood, masculinity, and the invisible mental load that dads carry.From late-night worries to guilt around “who has it harder,” Aiden shares insights from years of working with dads who are desperate for deeper conversations, but don’t always feel they have permission to start them.We speak about:· Why the mental load of fatherhood is so rarely discussed.· The myths around masculinity that keep men quiet.· How to start meaningful conversations with your partner (without turning it into a competition).· Simple, low-stakes ways to talk about fatherhood with your mates.· Why workplaces need to rethink flexibility and culture for parents.· How sharing “what it feels like to be you right now” can transform relationships.Resources Discussed· Dadventure: https://www.dadventure.net/Connect with EmmaThis podcast was funded and created by Emma Mclean, the founder of Works for Everyone.Emma Mclean is a mum of three and founder of Works for Everyone, a professional development business that partners with NZ's leading corporates to help them retain and grow their working parent talent. She does this through innovative leadership programmes, executive coaching and keynote speaking. She founded her business in 2019 following a 20-year career in corporate strategy where she experienced first-hand how hard it was to have a career and a family.As an impatient optimist when it comes to system change, she launched her successful podcast “How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty” in 2023 where she talks to humans who are actively working to change the system that creates financial penalties that only mothers pay. And in 2024 she launched the first NZ Part Time Power List – to shine a light on those senior roles in NZ that are career building, not side stepping." To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – [email protected] www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/
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  • Joe Consedine and Jess Stuart: Redefining Gender Roles in Work and Home
    What would our workplaces and homes look like if caregiving was truly valued, shared, and supported?In this thought-provoking episode, I sit down with Joe Consedine and Jess Stuart from Mobilise to unpack the invisible labour of caregiving, the systemic barriers that keep gender norms in place, and the opportunities we have to innovate for equity.From the daily “mental load” of running a household, to the stigma men face when taking parental leave, this conversation challenges us to rethink what we reward in both professional and personal life.Jess and Joe share their vision of a world where caregiving is recognised as a skill, not a burden, and where policy, culture, and mindset shifts work together to create real change.We speak about:· Why unpaid care work remains undervalued, and how it impacts gender equity· The structural and cultural barriers to shared caregiving in families· How organizations can innovate HR policies (flexibility, job design, parental leave) to reflect the future of work· The importance of normalizing men as active, equal caregivers from the very start· The “boring but essential” caregiving tasks that keep households running and why sharing them matters as much as the joyful moments· What it will take to rewire workplaces, families, and society to support true equalityResources Discussed · Mobilise: https://www.menasallies.co.nz/mobilise-programme· Connect with Joe on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joeconsedinenz/· Connect with Jess on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jess-stuart-559a7940/Connect with EmmaThis podcast was funded and created by Emma Mclean, the founder of Works for Everyone.Emma Mclean is a mum of three and founder of Works for Everyone, a professional development business that partners with NZ's leading corporates to help them retain and grow their working parent talent. She does this through innovative leadership programmes, executive coaching and keynote speaking. She founded her business in 2019 following a 20-year career in corporate strategy where she experienced first-hand how hard it was to have a career and a family.As an impatient optimist when it comes to system change, she launched her successful podcast “How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty” in 2023 where she talks to humans who are actively working to change the system that creates financial penalties that only mothers pay. And in 2024 she launched the first NZ Part Time Power List – to shine a light on those senior roles in NZ that are career building, not side stepping." To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – [email protected] www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/
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  • It’s Good to Talk: The Power of Honest Conversations with Anna Johnstone
    What are the conversations that truly make a difference for working parents?In this episode of It’s Good to Talk, I turn the tables on Anna Johnstone, executive coach, founder of The Female Career, and host of the podcast of the same name.Anna shares her journey from global corporate roles in Europe to returning home to New Zealand and building a business dedicated to lifting women up in their careers, and the conversations she wishes she’d had.We speak about:· The gritty, practical advice that helped Anna navigate life as a working parent.· Why investing in childcare is also an investment in your career.· The importance of being proactive about kids getting sick (and why you need backups to your backups!).· The role of honest conversations, with partners, employers, and friends, in avoiding burnout.· What dads need when it comes to having “their people” and joining these conversations too.· How boundaries, support networks, and courageous asks can help women thrive at work and at home.Resources Discussed· The Female Career: https://www.thefemalecareer.com/· The Female Career Podcast: https://www.thefemalecareer.com/podcast/Connect with EmmaThis podcast was funded and created by Emma Mclean, the founder of Works for Everyone.Emma Mclean is a mum of three and founder of Works for Everyone, a professional development business that partners with NZ's leading corporates to help them retain and grow their working parent talent. She does this through innovative leadership programmes, executive coaching and keynote speaking. She founded her business in 2019 following a 20-year career in corporate strategy where she experienced first-hand how hard it was to have a career and a family.As an impatient optimist when it comes to system change, she launched her successful podcast “How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty” in 2023 where she talks to humans who are actively working to change the system that creates financial penalties that only mothers pay. And in 2024 she launched the first NZ Part Time Power List – to shine a light on those senior roles in NZ that are career building, not side stepping." To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – [email protected] www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/
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  • It's Good To Talk | Trailer
    Welcome to. It's Good to Talk. The podcast that equips working parents with the conversations they need to be having. My name's Emma McClain. I'm an executive coach and I work exclusively with working parents. I know for sure that working and having a family is hard. But I think the answer to real long-term sustainable change is talking.So in this podcast, we're gonna shine a light on conversations that have mattered for my guests, the ones that they wish they'd had sooner, and the ones that have changed everything.This podcast will appear fortnightly, right here where you're listening to this. I really hope you join me. I'm excited to have these conversations, to share different perspectives on the conversations we need to be having.
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  • Victoria Crockford: Why women’s homelessness is on the rise in New Zealand
    In this episode, I talk to Victoria Crockford, Project Director of the Coalition to End Women’s Homelessness, to shine a light on an issue too often hidden from view: the growing housing insecurity faced by women in Aotearoa New Zealand.Victoria brings her wealth of experience across community housing, advocacy, the arts, and climate action to unpack the complex realities behind women’s homelessness.She explains why older women, sole parents, and Māori women are disproportionately affected, and challenges the myths that homelessness is a “choice.”This is not one of the conversations we have had on the podcast yet, and we do talk about the relationship between women's homelessness and domestic & sexual violence. Please listen with care.We speak about:· The 57,000 women in New Zealand currently experiencing homelessness (Census 2023).· Why women’s homelessness often looks different, more hidden, through couch surfing, unsafe housing, or staying in violent relationships.· The link between the motherhood penalty and long-term housing insecurity.· How systemic issues like the gender pay gap and benefit structures keep women in poverty.· Practical actions landlords, policymakers, and communities can take to reduce women’s homelessness.Resources Discussed·https://www.coalitiontoendwomenshomelessness.org/Connect with EmmaThis podcast was funded and created by Emma Mclean, the founder of Works for Everyone.Emma Mclean is a mum of three and founder of Works for Everyone, a professional development business that partners with NZ's leading corporates to help them retain and grow their working parent talent. She does this through innovative leadership programmes, executive coaching and keynote speaking. She founded her business in 2019 following a 20-year career in corporate strategy where she experienced first-hand how hard it was to have a career and a family.As an impatient optimist when it comes to system change, she launched her successful podcast “How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty” in 2023 where she talks to humans who are actively working to change the system that creates financial penalties that only mothers pay. And in 2024 she launched the first NZ Part Time Power List – to shine a light on those senior roles in NZ that are career building, not side stepping." To work with Emma or enquire about speaking – [email protected] www.worksforeveryone.co.nz https://www.instagram.com/worksforeveryone/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/emma-mclean-9176217/
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About How to Smash the Motherhood Penalty

Working and having a family is hard. But what is really fatiguing is that it is only mothers that pay a penalty when they become parents. It is only mothers that pay an up to 60% salary penalty over the first five years of establishing their family. Only mothers that see their retirement savings penalised because of the caregiving requirements they are fulfilling. And only mothers that get sidelined in their careers because of the lack of quality part time roles. In this podcast we are going to get curious about the system that creates the motherhood penalty and curious about the solutions that are going to smash it. We will talk to some of the experts who are actively smashing it, find out their story and figure out what we can learn from them. Hosted by Emma Mclean, CEO & Founder of Works for Everyone, this is a punchy, practical, and peppered with laughter podcast that equips listeners with ideas they can take back to their homes and workplaces to help smash the motherhood penalty.
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