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What happens when the best lawyer in the office becomes the boss? In episode 615 of the Lawyerist Podcast, Zack Glaser sits down with Debbie Foster and Stephanie Everett to talk about the leadership gap inside most law firms and why technical skill does not automatically translate into great leadership. 

They explore why so many firms rely on “figure it out as you go” leadership, how that creates burnout and frustration, and why so many leaders end up becoming the bottleneck in their own business. 

Debbie and Stephanie introduce their four leadership cornerstones and explain how law firm leaders can shift from solving every problem themselves to creating teams, systems, and workflows that work without constant intervention. 

If you are tired of putting out fires all day, this episode is your reminder that leadership should feel more strategic and a lot less exhausting. 

Listen to our previous episodes on Law Firm Leadership & Building Better Teams. 

#600: Designing a Law Firm You Actually Want to Run, with Stephanie Everett Apple | Spotify | LTN 

#597: What Lawyers Get Wrong About Teaching Clients and Teams, with Danielle Hall Apple | Spotify | LTN 

#575: From Overwhelmed Lawyer to Strategic Law Firm Owner, with Chad Fox Apple | Spotify | LTN 

#568: How to Build a Law Firm You Can Sell, with Victoria L. Collier Apple | Spotify | LTN 

Links from the episode: 

https://beanextlevelleader.com/ 

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Chapters / Timestamps: 

00:00 – Introduction 

00:30 – Using AI as a Thought Partner 

02:00 – Better Prompts, Better Leadership Decisions 

05:30 – Meet Debbie Foster and Stephanie Everett 

06:40 – What Are Next Level Leaders? 

08:15 – Why Most Law Firms Don’t Train Leaders 

10:05 – Learning Leadership the Hard Way 

12:10 – The Four Cornerstones of Leadership 

17:20 – From Heroics to Architecture 

18:45 – Why Leaders Become the Bottleneck 

20:10 – From Problem Solver to Multiplier 

21:30 – Building Sustainable Leadership Systems 

23:00 – Who This Program Is For 

25:30 – The Book, Workbook, and Leadership Cohorts 

28:00 – Leadership Is a Skill, Not a Title 

29:00 – Closing Thoughts 

 
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It’s never funny when a worker is injured on the job, but some cases do raise eyebrows. In their annual look into some “unusual” Workers’ Comp cases, Jud and Alan uncover some incidents that challenged the system, some by just being so weird.

Where did my ladder go? A worker on a rooftop was stuck when others removed the ladder and left the job. Desperate to get down, he jumped, suffering back and foot injuries. Is the worker to be blamed for intentionally jumping, or was he left with no choice? 

The falling clipboard case. From the Supreme Court of Idaho, a helicopter pilot died in a crash when a passenger dropped a clipboard that struck the tail rotor and damaged it. Who’s liable? What’s an accident, and where does civil liability intersect with Workers’ Comp?

A tryst in France, during a work trip, and the ensuing heart attack? Squeezing an oversized customer into a tiny mermaid-style wedding dress? Messing around with a flammable can of tire glue (at work)? Just as workers do unusual things, the courts also rule in unexpected ways. We can all learn from cases like these.

If you have thoughts on Workers’ Comp law or an idea for a topic or guest you’d like to hear, contact us at [email protected] or [email protected]. 

Mentioned in This Episode:

Thomas A. Robinson, WorkCompWriter.com

“Krinitt v. Dept of Fish and Game,” Justia.com

“The Surprisingly Broad Scope Definition of Workplace Accidents in France,” Proskauer

“Lea v. David Bridal of Greensboro, Inc. (2019)” Findlaw

“Zerofski's Case,” Massachusetts, 1982

“Employee Loses Testicle to Boss's Golf Swing: Court Affirms Boss's Liability,” FindLaw

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Talk Justice explores the legal battle of a Colorado-born woman with no birth certificate, the roadblocks people without identification and other vital documents experience and how attorneys at civil legal services organizations can help. Legal services attorneys from Louisiana and Colorado discusses how this work supports veterans, survivors of domestic violence, unstably housed people and those impacted by natural disasters.

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And is Alito really going to retire?

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The 2026 Super Rich list has 37 firms clearing $1.45M RPL and $625K PPL thresholds after Am Law had to raise because last year's bar was too easy. Then Kirkland proved what super rich really means by dropping a guaranteed $80M over three years to snatch a star lawyer from Wachtell. The PAC Trump uses to pay lawyers is nearly $500K in the red and owes roughly $1.6M to 12 firms. When will lawyers learn that he's never going to pay his bills... at least with money. Will Sam Alito retire to cheer on insurrections as a private citizen? If he does, Senate Republicans are ready to embrace the hypocrisy and ram through a replacement. Could it be Ted Cruz?

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Why is it SO difficult to track success in AI search? You want to rank, AI is a beast, your agency might be full of it, and we want to help. Then, we know people are going to lose their jobs to AI, but whose heads will be the first to roll?

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If the chaos of AI search is making your head spin, let’s see if we can get you off the merry-go-round. The lack of understanding and transparency from digital marketing agencies is bonkers right now, so you might be getting bad info about your AI search data. Gyi and Conrad get into the realities of how these AI results really work and how to approach your law firm growth tactics in this environment. 

Later, it was fascinating to see the heavily AI-centric startup alley pitches at ABA Techshow. Tons of law firms are building their own tools with AI, so what does this mean for legal tech, marketers, agencies, etc.? Let’s discuss whether we’re all losing our jobs…  

The News:


Smokeball and Thomson Reuters are dating. Is it love, or do they just want each other for their data? –  Smokeball and Thomson Reuters Partner to Create the Premier Legal Technology Ecosystem 


Wanna chat about the ins and outs and heres and theres of the private equity landscape? Join us at A Seat at the Table May 6-7 at the Baltimore ballfields. 


You know what they say, Astroturfing is the best form of flattery. Also, come hang out at r/LHLM!


Listicles have never been classy, but did you know that they could also be illegal? Lily Ray explains it well:  Promotional listicles: in some cases, they may actually be *against the law,* according to FTC rules.


Come to the LHLM Summit! Join us 8/11-13 for some killer talks on law firm growth. Lee Rudin will be there to tell you why your merch sucks, and we know you don’t want to suck. Kerri Coby White is gracing us with an in-depth talk intake, and we know you need that, too! So much good stuff—be there. 

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Chapters

00:00 Go Blue!

01:51 Legal Marketing News

02:05 Smokeball and Thomson Reuters Getting Cozy

03:21 Private Equity in Legal: "A Seat at the Table" Event

04:18 We Got Astroturffed!

04:50 Promotional Listicles May Be Illegal (FTC Rules)

08:23 LHLM Summit: Your Merchandise Sucks (Lee Rudin)

09:07 LHLM Summit: In-Depth Intake Talk (Kerri Coby White)

09:38 How to REALLY Rank in AI Search & ABA Tech Show Recap | Segment 1

11:13 The Impossibility of Tracking AI Search Success (Why Agencies Lie)

18:26 Tactical AI Search Optimization: Data Infrastructure & Tracking

24:01 Why It’s Still a "Google Most World" & The Importance of Digital PR

37:21 Who Will Lose Their Jobs to AI? (ABA Tech Show Startup Alley) | Segment 2

42:56 The Race to Bespoke AI Software and Headcount Reduction

48:56 Join us for Office Hours

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