Off the Grid: Leaving Social Media

This week, Sarah Jane Chapman joins me on the podcast to get magical with her deck & business: Be With Your Body.
We explore the business of tarot AND the magical practice of tarot, as we discuss Sarah Jane’s business ecosystem and the cards guiding her through the fall.
 
Tune in to hear about:
Why we love tarot and how we got into reading cards
Sarah Jane’s Body Metta practice
What it really takes to create a tarot deck
A best-case-scenario for biz partnership dissolution
How Sarah Jane manages her business with products, services, online & IRL offerings
Whether or not tarot decks are really profitable…
Suggestions for pulling cards & tarot spreads for business decisions
The perks of being a tarot beginner & working with different decks
Sarah Jane's favorite tarot cards for this fall's Venus Retrograde
 
⭐️ Off the Grid listeners get 25% off the Be With Your Body Tarot Deck and the Autumn Ritual Planner! Learn more + buy here: https://www.bewithyourbody.com/off-the-grid (sponsored)

 
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After my episode on pricing with Bear Hebert, I got a question from a listener that went something like this—
"How do you price yourself and your services when you already have enough money? In my case, my spouse has a very good job, so we don’t need an income from me. But I am also a creative, a gatherer, a podcaster, a stay-at-home parent, and lots more. I do these things because I love them, and I could do them for free and not charge... but is that the right / anti-capitalist answer? Help!"
I think this is an important position to talk about! So in this episode, I walk through:
How to think about money when you already have enough
Surviving vs thriving budgets & calculating a new enough number
Ideas on redistribution & recirculating profits
Accounting for privilege without panicking about it
Ecosystem-tending through comparative pricing

 Tune in to an episode preview here, and become a paid subscriber of the Clubhouse at offthegrid.fun/clubhouse to get all the $$$ details.
 
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In 2019, Ashley Neese had a bestselling book, a thriving breathwork practice, a new baby, and 30k Instagram followers.
Now seven years later, she’s left social media and moved away from the world of wellness™️ entirely.
In this conversation, we chart Ashley’s journey from being an influencer in the 2010s LA wellness scene to becoming a parent who refuses to perform wellness when she doesn’t feel well.
Together, we unpack the insidious logic of early influencer culture: that the more you post, the more followers you’ll get — and the more followers you get, the more you matter.
Then we step away from all that and make space for what can come through when you heal your worthiness wounds.
This episode was recorded in fall 2025 for paid Clubhouse supporters and this new edit is being shared with all listeners now. If you’d like to hear more conversations like this, please support the show today.

 
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This might be the most real-talk, behind-the-scenes, high-key-giggly, low-key-chaos episode I’ve ever recorded. 👀

Today, Podge Thomas returns to the show for the third time to talk about building a business with a tiny email list.

We tell you:
Exactly how many subscribers are on our email lists
The difference between marketing our 1:1 and 1:many businesses
Building the courage & self-trust to take big swings
How we really feel about unsubscribes
What to do when a launch “fails”
Audience growth strategies and what’s working for us right now
Living in the present and the future with your business

⭐️ If you enjoy this conversation, join Podge and I at our FREE workshop on October 30th. RSVP for: How to Build a Creative Marketing Plan in Notion & send the link to your friends!

 
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Today's paid-supporter-exclusive episode answers the most popular query from our summer AMA:
 
"I've been working on my business for a few years now, but I'm still not making full-time income from this work. How do I make the jump from $10-$20k per year to $50-$100k per year?"
 
This is a nuanced question and different for every business owner!
 
So in this episode, I do a few things to make sense of it:
First, I walk you through my journey from 10k to 100k annual revenue (exact numbers and timeline included) 🧮
Then I talk about the essential mindset and habit shifts needed to go from part-time to full-time 🧱
And finally, I talk through three examples how I would make that leap if I were a book editor, spiritual teacher, or creative coach 📈
 
Tune in to an episode preview here, and become a paid subscriber of the Clubhouse at offthegrid.fun/clubhouse to get all the $$$ details.
 
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When you join the Clubhouse, you'll get access to over 50 bonus episodes (and counting), curated tech + creative business newsletters, and more. Plus your own private podcast feed, comments threads, and behind-the-scenes updates on the show.
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RESOURCES + LINKS
👋 Download the FREE Leaving Social Media Toolkit
🌐 Get on the Interweb waitlist for creative business courses + community
💓 Join the Clubhouse for exclusive bonus episodes + emails