Off the Grid: Leaving Social Media

This week, I'm thrilled to be joined by investor, producer, and writer Christie George.
She's here discuss attention as care and her book report project: The Emergency Was Curiosity.
Together we have a conversation about the role of art in our lives as we explore:
Why gratitude is fundamental for working artists
Book reports as attentional structures
Living archives as artistic practices
How social media killed Amelia’s journalling practice
What it means to be in conversation with a work of art
Turning a book project into a gallery exhibition & event series
A defense of non-monetized creative projects
Attention as a collective care practice
Expanding flow states to include others
Diversifying the attention discourse
 
 
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Happy almost-Halloween/Samhein, friends! 
In honor of the season, today I’m sharing a very special community conversation on intuitive integrity and creative/business practice.
I’m joined by Verena Borell, Sarah Arantza-Amador, and Natasha Levinger — as we originally recorded this for a panel at our spring astro summit.
This episode is for intuitive practitioners who want to build better boundaries with clients, creative people seeking spiritual support, and anyone who’s curious about modalities like astrology, tarot, and energy healing.
If you like this one, you might also enjoy:
3 Magical Rituals to Transform Your Business — with Brigitte, Cecily Sailor & Ash Canty
Reclaiming Your Magic Online & Offline — with Casey Zabala of Modern Witches
Be With Your Body — Tarot Guidance & Embodiment in Creative Business with Sarah-Jane Chapman

 
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⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

This week, Sarah Jane Chapman joins me on the podcast to get magical with her deck & business: Be With Your Body.
We explore the business of tarot AND the magical practice of tarot, as we discuss Sarah Jane’s business ecosystem and the cards guiding her through the fall.
 
Tune in to hear about:
Why we love tarot and how we got into reading cards
Sarah Jane’s Body Metta practice
What it really takes to create a tarot deck
A best-case-scenario for biz partnership dissolution
How Sarah Jane manages her business with products, services, online & IRL offerings
Whether or not tarot decks are really profitable…
Suggestions for pulling cards & tarot spreads for business decisions
The perks of being a tarot beginner & working with different decks
Sarah Jane's favorite tarot cards for this fall's Venus Retrograde
 
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⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com

After my episode on pricing with Bear Hebert, I got a question from a listener that went something like this—
"How do you price yourself and your services when you already have enough money? In my case, my spouse has a very good job, so we don’t need an income from me. But I am also a creative, a gatherer, a podcaster, a stay-at-home parent, and lots more. I do these things because I love them, and I could do them for free and not charge... but is that the right / anti-capitalist answer? Help!"
I think this is an important position to talk about! So in this episode, I walk through:
How to think about money when you already have enough
Surviving vs thriving budgets & calculating a new enough number
Ideas on redistribution & recirculating profits
Accounting for privilege without panicking about it
Ecosystem-tending through comparative pricing

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In 2019, Ashley Neese had a bestselling book, a thriving breathwork practice, a new baby, and 30k Instagram followers.
Now seven years later, she’s left social media and moved away from the world of wellness™️ entirely.
In this conversation, we chart Ashley’s journey from being an influencer in the 2010s LA wellness scene to becoming a parent who refuses to perform wellness when she doesn’t feel well.
Together, we unpack the insidious logic of early influencer culture: that the more you post, the more followers you’ll get — and the more followers you get, the more you matter.
Then we step away from all that and make space for what can come through when you heal your worthiness wounds.
This episode was recorded in fall 2025 for paid Clubhouse supporters and this new edit is being shared with all listeners now. If you’d like to hear more conversations like this, please support the show today.

 
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⭐️ Looking for creative inspiration? Get Kevin Chung's new book We Are All Creative for 52 weeks of small shifts at weareallcreative.com