RiskReversal Pod

For today’s episode, we look back at our conversation with Jenny Just and Matt Hulsizer at Apex’s Ascend Innovation Summit.

Jenny and Matt are co-founders of PEAK6 Investments. In 2012, they purchased the company that became Apex and helped shape it into the successful fintech company we know today. Oh and get this - they aren’t just partners in business, they’re also partners in LIFE. Married since 2003.

Over the years, they’ve built a shared vision that technology can make financial markets more accessible, more efficient, and more inclusive. That vision ultimately led to Apex.

We discuss the importance of risk taking, financial literacy, and partnerships when building businesses and trading.

Timecodes 

00:59 Meet Jenny Just & Matt Hulsizer

01:49 From Trading Floor to Business Partners

04:22 Building Peak6 & 28 Years Without a Losing Year

05:38 Why Technology Changed Trading Forever

06:45 Learning to Take Risks in Business & Life

09:20 The Origin Story of Apex Fintech Solutions

13:32 The Importance of FInancial Literacy for Young People

16:57 Trading Lessons That Built Great Companies

18:21 Partnership, Marriage & Making Better Decisions Together

20:31 Final Advice: AI Investing & Teaching the Next Generation

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Dan Nathan is joined by David Rosenberg, president and founder of Rosenberg Research, for a wide-ranging conversation recorded on the final day of Q2. Rosie lays out his out-of-consensus disinflation call, arguing that with productivity now accounting for roughly 90% of US economic growth, the market and the Fed are wrong to be bracing for higher inflation and that a string of surprisingly benign CPI prints could be coming. From there, the two dig into the cracks beneath a record-setting market: a personal savings rate that's collapsed from 8% to 3%, real disposable income running at zero, and a low-end consumer leaning harder on credit cards just to stay afloat — the setup, Rosie warns, for a consumer recession few see coming.

They also tackle the elephant in the market: an AI trade that's broadened from the "Mag 7" into semiconductors, memory, and names like Corning and Cisco, and the financialization underneath it — circular financing arrangements, private credit funds capping redemptions, and accounting quirks that may be flattering S&P earnings more than investors realize. Rosie explains why he's still half in equities (with a heavy tilt toward Asia, bonds, and gold), why "there are no bears left" worries him, and what a 1928 letter from Charles Merrill can teach investors about the cost of being late versus early. Plus: a look ahead to his upcoming book and ETF.

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The financial opinions expressed in Risk Reversal content are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on Risk Reversal.

Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami break down a market caught in the late stages of euphoria. They dig into Micron's record-high run and the broader memory-stock mania—and ask the uncomfortable question of who's actually left to buy at these levels. With hyperscalers rolling over (Microsoft just posted its worst month since 2000) and Palantir cut in half, Dan and Guy debate whether this is a healthy rotation or the churn before the storm.

The guys also get into the "it's different this time" debate around memory stocks as a secular vs. cyclical trade, the SpaceX debt losses and OpenAI's delayed IPO, why crude oil is shrugging off real geopolitical risk, a hawkish Kevin Warsh Fed and the jobs report, Bitcoin slipping below 60K, and Nike's earnings ahead of a brutal stretch for the stock.

Articles Referenced

Bond Traders Stunned as Losses on SpaceX’s New Debt Keep Growing (Bloomberg)

How Iran Devastated an American Naval Base—and Caused a U.S. Recalculation (WSJ)

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The financial opinions expressed in Risk Reversal content are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on Risk Reversal.

Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.

Apex Fintech Solutions provides the tools and services that enable hundreds of clients to launch, scale, and support digital investing for tens of millions of end investors. The company provides essential infrastructure and a comprehensive ecosystem of cloud-based products to enable and streamline trading, wealth management, cost basis, tax reporting, and, through its subsidiary Apex Clearing™, custody and clearing.

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami are joined by Gene Munster, Managing Partner at Deepwater Asset Management, for a wide-ranging conversation recorded as the market sold off into the close — and as the guys sign off from their current studio one last time.

They open on Micron's blowout quarter and the 16 strategic five-year customer agreements that have it up 20%, debating whether the historic boom-and-bust cyclicality is finally being priced out of memory. From there, Gene makes his case that the AI trade is still in the "second inning," walking through AGI, the gap between hype and adoption, the threat cheap open-source models out of China pose to model pricing, and why he thinks Google has gotten the best return on its AI investment so far. The group also digs into Apple's pricing power as memory costs spike — and the 2019 upgrade-cycle scare that still haunts the bulls — before closing on the SpaceX IPO one week in, the Tesla–SpaceX roll-up bet, and the state of robotaxi and full self-driving.

Articles Referenced

Why aren’t more companies adopting AI? (FT)

Fatal Tesla Crash Into Texas Home Now Under Federal Safety Investigation (WSJ)

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The financial opinions expressed in Risk Reversal content are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on Risk Reversal.

Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in Risk Reversal carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.

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In this episode of On the Tape, Danny Moses welcomes James Lavish back to the show for a wide-ranging conversation that goes well beyond Bitcoin. Drawing on his background trading risk arbitrage on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange and running the Bitcoin Opportunity Fund, James breaks down why he believes the Fed and Treasury are "trapped" by a looming wall of debt—roughly $14 trillion rolling over in the next year on top of ongoing $2 trillion deficits—and what that means for rates, inflation, and the dollar.

Danny and James dig into Kevin Warsh's first meeting as Fed chair and his more hawkish-but-mostly-bark tone, the odds of a July rate hike, and how the war and energy prices are feeding back into inflation. They explore the "hot ball of money" chasing AI and the SpaceX IPO, the K-shaped economy driving retail toward speculative bets, and why James sees a coming rotation of capital out of high-flying AI names and back into Bitcoin.

The two also debate Michael Saylor's Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy) at length—whether its leverage and perpetual preferred structure leave Saylor in a "trap" or a position of strength—with James arguing the balance sheet concerns are overblown if you believe in Bitcoin long term. James shares how his fund approaches Bitcoin-adjacent energy and AI investments, and Danny closes with his Kalshi picks of the week.

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The financial opinions expressed are for information purposes only. The opinions expressed by the hosts and participants are not an attempt to influence specific trading behavior, investments, or strategies. Past performance does not necessarily predict future outcomes. No specific results or profits are assured when relying on this content.

Before making any investment or trade, evaluate its suitability for your circumstances and consider consulting your own financial or investment advisor. The financial products discussed in 'On The Tape' carry a high level of risk and may not be appropriate for many investors. If you have uncertainties, it's advisable to seek professional advice. Remember that trading involves a risk to your capital, so only invest money that you can afford to lose.

Derivatives are not suitable for all investors and involve the risk of losing more than the amount originally deposited and any profit you might have made. This communication is not a recommendation or offer to buy, sell or retain any specific investment or service.