#355 Tin Pei Ling: Making Motherhood, Parliament, and Progress Work—Her Way
Becoming Singapore’s youngest parliamentarian was just the beginning.In Part Two of this conversation, Tin Pei Ling reflects on how she’s evolved as a leader, mother, policymaker, and public voice. From walking the campaign trail just days after giving birth, to pursuing an MBA mid-term while managing a constituency, her path isn’t about having it all—it’s about knowing what to give, and when.She opens up about the guilt of missing milestones, the value of learning from older peers, and the real cost of public service. She also shares her ongoing fight for women’s empowerment, elderly inclusion, mental wellness, and Singapore’s digital future. For anyone navigating multiple roles at once, Pei Ling’s story is a case study in conviction—and quiet strength.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Why She Chose an MBA—After Already Getting Elected“Politics was public. But I needed something personal—to grow, stretch, and see the world differently.”What Booth Taught Her (Besides Economics)“I wasn’t just learning frameworks. I was building a new lens through which to see leadership.”Motherhood, Duty, and the Election That Didn’t Wait“Two weeks after giving birth, I was out campaigning. I came home to a baby who’d grown before my eyes.”There’s No Perfect Balance—Only Trade-Offs“As an MP, an employee, and a mother, I’ve had to make hard choices. But I’ve never walked alone.”Why Support Systems Are Everything“Behind every successful woman is an ecosystem. Mine includes teammates, voters, bosses, and family.”From Guilt to Advocacy: Fighting for Women’s Aspirations“Not everyone has what I had. That’s why I fight for better policies—for every woman with a dream.”Mental Health, Aging, and the Power of Policy“Youth need tools. Seniors need dignity. My job is to speak for both.”Why Digital Fluency Is a Women’s Issue Too“Tech can empower women—if we help them unlock it. That’s what smart nations really need: smart, supported women.”_________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Tin Pei Ling
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#354 Tin Pei Ling: What It Takes to Be Singapore’s Youngest Member of Parliament
What happens when your first job in politics comes with public ridicule, online harassment, and sky-high expectations?At 27, Tin Pei Ling became Singapore’s youngest female Member of Parliament. But what looked like a bold milestone from the outside was also the darkest chapter of her life. In Part One of this candid conversation, Pei Ling opens up about walking away from a stable consulting job, the backlash she faced as a “too young” candidate, and why she chose to fight for trust instead of attention.This is not a story about instant triumph. It’s a story about resilience in public, self-doubt in private, and choosing to grow anyway. Whether you’re 22 or 52, this episode redefines what it means to earn your place—without needing to shout for it.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Psychology to Politics: A Career Rerouted by Life“My dream was to be a clinical psychologist—but when my father had a heart attack, everything changed.”The Consulting Detour That Built Her Backbone“Ernst & Young taught me structure, speed, and how to handle steep learning curves. I still use that training today.”The Election That Changed Everything“I was the youngest, the newest, the most criticized—and it nearly broke me.”A Sacred Duty, Not Just a Title“Once I got elected, I quit my job. If people trusted me with their votes, I had to give them my full time.”No Days Off: What Real Ground Work Looks Like“Parliament, emails, grassroots events—being an MP means being on call, always.”How She Faced Ageism—and Turned It Into Strength“People looked at me and asked, ‘Who are you to understand my life?’ I answered with presence, not perfection.”Silence, Cynicism, and Social Media Attacks“People made up stories about my personal life. Every night I cried, every morning I showed up again.”Why She’s Still Grateful for the Pain“That period shaped my emotional growth. Today, I’m more resilient—and I have a story that might help someone else.”_________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Tin Pei Ling
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#353 Fatou Sagna Sow: From French Banking to Building Africa’s Next Generation
Would you leave a powerful career in global banking, pack up your family, and start over in a developing country?That’s exactly what Fatou Sagna Sow did. Born and raised in Paris, she built a high-flying legal career at some of the world’s top banks—leading teams, managing billion-dollar deals, and thriving in the French system. But it wasn’t enough. In 2016, she returned to Senegal to write a new playbook—one rooted in identity, impact, and intercontinental connection.In this episode, Fatou shares how she navigated fear, culture shifts, and politics to become a driving force in Senegal’s economic development. From banana-fiber sanitary pads to Japan-Africa tech exchanges, she’s creating a cross-border entrepreneurship model that blends French precision with Senegalese ambition. Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Paris to Dakar: Why She Left It All Behind“I had a great career in France—but I wasn’t challenging myself anymore. Senegal was calling.”Motherhood as Motivation“I wanted my kids to know their roots. To grow up understanding both cultures, without borders.”Building Power Through Politics“Politics helped me understand Senegal’s real economy—and gave me a network I still rely on today.”Becoming a Technical Advisor to the Prime Minister“Just two years after I moved, I was advising on blue economy, green economy, and industrial policy. It changed how I saw my role.”Banana Fiber Meets Social Innovation: The Luna Na Project“We’re turning banana waste into sanitary pads. It’s never been done before in Senegal—and it’s changing lives.”Creating Bridges, Not Borders“I bring together young talent from France and Senegal. They collaborate, co-create, and even co-own the ventures they launch here.”From France to Monaco, Then Japan: Global Partnerships for Local Growth“I’m working with embassies, economic councils, and corporate leaders to connect young Africans with opportunity around the world.”The Hardest Part: Letting Go of Stability“I left a stable job with great pay. The fear was real. But so was the mission.”New Deal Consulting: Writing Her Own Law Book for Change“As a lawyer, I followed rules. Now I create new ones—for impact, for equity, and for the next generation.”_________________________Connect with Us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Fatou Sagna Sow
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#352 Wayne Turmel: Leading Without Micromanaging in the Hybrid Mess
Hybrid work was supposed to be the future—but it’s feeling more like a tug-of-war.Wayne Turmel, co-author of The Long-Distance Leader, has spent two decades studying how we lead across distance—and what falls apart when we don’t. In this episode, Wayne explains why most return-to-office plans are more negotiation than strategy, how unexamined proximity bias silently shapes promotions, and why hybrid leadership isn’t about place—it’s about intentionality.Whether you’re managing global teams or trying to avoid burnout-by-Zoom, this conversation will help you rethink what modern leadership actually requires—and how to do it without micromanaging or burning people out.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Leadership Before Location: The First Rule of Remote Work“If you’re a weak leader in person, remote will make it worse. Hybrid just exposes the cracks faster.”Genghis Khan Didn’t Need WebEx—You Don’t Need Chaos“Leading from afar isn’t new. But today, we confuse tech tools with leadership itself.”Proximity Bias: The Promotion No One Talks About“People in the office get more attention—whether we mean to favor them or not. That’s not strategy. That’s inertia.”Why Hybrid Isn’t Really Hybrid“Three-day compromises aren’t hybrid strategies. Most companies are just seeing how far they can push before people quit.”Deep Work, Loud Offices, and Cake in the Break Room“Don’t bring people back just to distract them. Save the office for coaching, collaboration, and trust-building.”Synchronous vs. Asynchronous: It’s About Time (Literally)“If you’re clocking in remotely on someone else’s schedule, you’re not working hybrid—you’re just working differently.”Amazon, Turnover, and the Future of Micromanagement“With 150% annual churn, maybe it’s not a location problem. Maybe it’s a leadership one.”High Finance vs. High Flexibility“Jamie Dimon’s playbook may work for Wall Street. But others are asking: does it have to be that way?”_________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Wayne Turmel
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#351 Juliana Schroeder: AI, Power, and the Psychology of Human Connection
The way we communicate is changing—but what does that mean for the humans doing the talking?Dr. Juliana Schroeder, associate professor at UC Berkeley Haas, has spent her career unpacking how we perceive other minds—both human and machine. In this episode, she breaks down how AI isn’t just reshaping tech—it’s reshaping the psychology of communication itself. From virtual assistants to algorithmic bias, and from voice cues to power dynamics, Juliana offers a grounded look at what we gain (and risk losing) as AI enters our social and professional lives.For executives, educators, and anyone raising kids in a world of voice bots and Zoom calls, Juliana’s insights are both sobering and empowering: technology may evolve, but the need for mindful, human-centered interaction is here to stay.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Mind Behind the Mind: Why She Studies Perception“Humans can’t read minds—but we act like we can. I study how we form beliefs about others’ thoughts and feelings—and where those beliefs go wrong.”From Hard Science to Human BehaviorA former physics student, Juliana fell in love with psychology’s messier questions: persuasion, power, and decision-making.Alexa, Am I in Charge?“When we treat virtual assistants like humans, we start to feel powerful. That shift can change how we act—sometimes for the worse.”The Confirmation Bias Trap of AI“LLMs like ChatGPT often reflect what we say, not what we need. They’re agreeable by design—and that creates a unique kind of echo chamber.”Medium Matters: Why Voice Beats Text“Text strips out nuance. Voice restores it. If you want to be seen as warm, competent, or persuasive—don’t rely on email.”Hiring, Algorithms, and the Need for Transparency“When high-stakes decisions get outsourced to black-box AI, people rebel. We still want a human in the loop.”Designing Better Conversations—With Humans and MachinesWhat if your AI pushed back? Juliana imagines future assistants with ‘sass’ to counteract human overconfidence.What Leaders Should (Still) Master“Great communicators don’t just speak—they switch modalities when needed. They know when to email, when to Zoom, and when to step away.”More Tech ≠ Better Talk“Too many tools can backfire. The best leaders know how to reduce distraction and amplify meaning—whether talking to humans or machines.”_________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Juliana Schroeder, PHD
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