The Spin Sucks Podcast with Gini Dietrich

In this episode, Gini Dietrich unpacks the visibility engine: Owned and Earned media working together. Owned is your home base—structured expertise built on defendable themes, repeatable authority anchors, and proof. Earned is credibility transfer—validation you can’t buy that makes your expertise easier to trust, repeat, and surface across the web (and in AI answers).

AI has changed discovery. Your audience is getting answers without clicking, and “post here, pitch there, boost this” doesn’t just feel scattered—it performs scattered. Gini Dietrich walks you through the 2026 PESO Model® Certification, rebuilt to help marketers and communicators run PESO as an operating system and engineer visibility, credibility, and trust across paid, earned, shared, and owned media—without needing a bigger team or a bigger budget.

A powerful image out of Minnesota keeps resurfacing: federal agents inside a Target store, terrorizing employees and customers. Just the mere image collapses everything into the questions people are asking in real time: Am I safe at work? Am I safe while shopping?

When leaders respond with silence or vague calls for “de-escalation,” they create a vacuum filled by fear, rumor, and the message they cannot control: “declined to comment.”

In this episode, Gini Dietrich unpacks why companies default to silence, why that rationale fails, and what communicators should push for instead: decisions, documented protocols, manager scripts, and clear internal and external messaging anchored in duty of care and business continuity. 

Trust is the job — and clarity is how you earn it.

We’ve been told the growth strategy is simple: comment a lot, get noticed, build relationships, and win customers. But when busy professionals outsource those comments to AI, engagement turns into performance—and buyers can tell. In this episode, Gini Dietrich shares the “trust math” behind why AI comments backfire, how they create reputation debt, and what to do instead.

The PESO Model® isn’t outdated—but many implementations are. In this episode, Gini Dietrich explains how the PESO Model has evolved from a framework into a marketing operating system designed for today’s reality: fewer journalists, more creators, AI-driven discovery, fragmented trust, and rising expectations for measurement.