Bountifull Podcast

What happens when a childhood spent exploring wild places becomes the work of an entire life?
In part one of this two-part conversation, I’m joined by Lou Sanson, one of New Zealand’s most influential conservation leaders. Lou grew up on the West Coast of New Zealand, learning to cross rivers, climb mountains, cook over fires and navigate the backcountry. At 13, he encountered two forestry workers in a remote hut and decided he wanted a life spent working in nature. Over the next five decades, he would turn that early instinct into a life of extraordinary purpose and service.
We follow Lou from his first job cutting tracks through South Westland to becoming responsible for Fiordland, Stewart Island and New Zealand’s subantarctic islands. He shares the work behind Rakiura National Park, marine protection in Fiordland and one of the world’s most ambitious predator-eradication projects, while reflecting on the experiences that shaped his understanding of leadership, safety, accountability and lasting change.
At its heart, this is a conversation about what can happen when you recognise what makes you feel most alive and build your life around it. Nature became Lou’s education, his source of courage, his place of renewal and the larger purpose against which he measured his decisions. His story offers a richer way to think about a bountiful life: one grounded in belonging, contribution and responsibility, and in leaving the places entrusted to us better than we found them.

Key Episode Highlights
How growing up on the West Coast of New Zealand shaped Lou’s courage, independence and connection to nature
The backcountry encounter at 13 that gave him a direction for life
Why nature became Lou’s education, purpose and place of renewal
The leadership lesson that taught him good intentions are not enough without strong systems and accountability
How Rakiura National Park, Fiordland’s marine protection and Campbell Island were brought to life
Why meaningful change requires catching the wave of public feeling rather than pushing against it
The importance of building trust and working closely with Ngāi Tahu
The Māori philosophy that people belong within nature rather than stand apart from it

Chapters
00:00 Finding a ten-out-of-ten moment
02:56 A bountiful life shaped by the West Coast
08:22 The backcountry encounter that shaped his future
10:33 How New Zealand’s conservation system works
14:20 Building a career from the ground up
15:21 The leadership lesson that changed everything
22:32 Rakiura, Fiordland and Campbell Island
26:23 How lasting change really happens
30:59 Learning that we belong to nature
35:53 Why New Zealand’s native species matter

Guest Bio 
Lou Sanson QSO, NZAM is one of New Zealand’s most experienced conservation leaders. His career began as a track cutter in South Westland and went on to include senior leadership across Fiordland, Stewart Island and the subantarctic islands. He served as Chief Executive of Antarctica New Zealand from 2002 to 2013 and as Director-General of the Department of Conservation from 2013 to 2021. Today, he continues to contribute to conservation as a trustee of the New Zealand Nature Fund and WWF-New Zealand.

About the Bountifull Podcast 
The Bountifull Podcast explores how to live a richer, healthier and more meaningful life through conversations about psychology, relationships, health, work, culture, science and society. Hosted by Sian Simpson, each episode shares powerful stories and practical ideas to help us live with more joy, purpose, curiosity and connection.

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What happens when the life you worked so hard to build no longer fits?
In this episode, I’m joined by Andy Johns for a deep and honest conversation about the valley between two mountains — the liminal space between who you were and who you are yet to become.
Andy spent 17 years in Silicon Valley climbing the first mountain of life: career, achievement, status, success, and external validation. But this conversation is less about the climb, and more about what happens after you step away. Because leaving an old life is not as simple as choosing a new one. Often, there is a long and disorienting middle — a space where the old identity has dissolved, but the next version of you has not yet fully arrived.
Together, we explore what it means to sit in that unknown. The grief of losing the person you thought you were. The fear of no longer being valued in the same way. The body’s withdrawal from stress, momentum and constant stimulation. The temptation to rush into the next thing just to escape the discomfort of not knowing.
Andy shares with rare honesty what it took to stop performing, stop achieving, and begin listening to what his body, spirit and life were trying to tell him. We talk about perfectionism, burnout, addiction, faith, rest, service, money, and the strange freedom that can come when you stop trying to force a new mountain into view.
This is a conversation for anyone who has ever found themselves between lives. For anyone who has left something behind, or knows they need to, but has no idea what comes next.
The valley can feel like failure. But maybe it is also where we begin to become more fully ourselves.

In this episode, we explore
What Andy calls the first mountain of life

Why success can stop feeling like success

The valley between who you were and who you are becoming

Why leaving an old identity can feel like grief

The body’s withdrawal from stress, adrenaline and achievement

Work, status and external validation as forms of addiction

The difference between failure and misalignment

What relationships reveal when your identity changes

The fear and freedom of saying, “I don’t know what’s next”

Rebuilding self-worth through service, meaning and truth

Why rest is not laziness, but part of the healing

How to sit in the unknown without rushing into the next mountain

Chapters
00:00 Introduction
02:00 The space between who you were and who you are becoming
09:00 When success stops fitting
18:25 The first mountain and the valley
26:10 Leaving an identity behind
31:20 Losing your sense of value and purpose
40:40 What happens to the body in the valley
50:30 Shame, addiction and survival patterns
57:00 Faith, spirituality and transformation
1:10:30 Rebuilding self-worth through service
1:20:00 Money, uncertainty and enough
1:27:30 The question everyone asks: what’s next?
1:36:00 Rest, change and becoming
1:39:00 Closing thoughts

Guest Bio 
Andy Johns is a writer, former Silicon Valley executive, advisor and investor whose work now explores identity, healing, transformation and purpose. In his earlier career, Andy worked across some of Silicon Valley’s most recognisable companies, including Facebook, Twitter, Quora and Wealthfront, where he served as President. After stepping away from a 17-year career built around achievement, status and external validation, Andy now writes and speaks about the inner work of leaving an old identity behind and navigating the uncertain space between who you were and who you are becoming.

https://cluesdotlife.substack.com/

About the Bountifull Podcast 

The Bountifull Podcast explores what it means to live a bountiful life through stories of creativity, connection, curiosity and resilience. With conversations spanning personal growth, mental health, mindfulness, emotional resilience and wellbeing, each episode offers honest stories and practical ideas to help us live with more joy, meaning and depth.

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Most of us are building lives we are not fully present for. We optimise, produce, tick things off and tell ourselves we will get to the good stuff once things calm down. But things rarely calm down. They speed up. And one day you look around and realise your kids have stopped coming to you, your relationships are running on autopilot, and the life you worked so hard to build is one you are barely in. That was the realisation Harvard Professor Dr Jeff Karp had during Covid. The skill that had helped him survive school, build a world-leading lab and found 13 companies had also made him very good at moving through life without stopping to notice it.
What makes Jeff’s response interesting is that he did not begin with a retreat, a reinvention or some huge life overhaul. He started interrupting patterns. Change the question you ask your kid at dinner and see what happens. Take a different route. Drink tea instead of coffee. Blow bubbles at strangers in traffic and watch people put their phones down and smile. His argument is that changing one small thing can make you aware of all the other things you have been doing without ever really choosing them.
We also talk about anti-convenience, why Jeff sometimes washes dishes by hand, and why I can happily spend an hour making gluten-free ravioli from scratch. Not because doing things the long way is always better, but because efficiency is not always the point. Jeff has spent decades inventing technologies that save lives. Turns out one of the most important experiments he ever ran was learning how to be present in his own.

Key episode highlights
Why the skill that helped Jeff survive school later began costing him in adult life
How changing one small pattern can reveal the rest of your operating system
The question: when did you decide to do the same things every day?
Why bubbles in traffic became Jeff’s favourite form of pattern interruption
How anti-convenience can create presence without turning your life upside down
Why our brains default to familiar, low-energy behaviours
What happens when you ask your children a better question than “how was your day?”
How silliness can shift the energy of a room and give other people permission to join in

Chapters
00:00 Bubbles, productivity and disconnection02:43 The skill that saved Jeff as a child06:18 When he realised his children had stopped coming to him07:22 How our attention gets hijacked13:57 Why exhaustion can become addictive17:42 The hidden cost of constant productivity21:11 Why the brain defaults to low-energy patterns25:24 The patterns running our lives28:33 How pattern interruption works35:22 Which patterns should we keep?42:46 Why a Harvard professor blows bubbles in traffic48:53 Anti-convenience and doing things the long way52:05 What a bountiful life means to Jeff57:13 The most important experiment he has run on himself

Guest Bio
Dr Jeff Karp is a biomedical engineer and professor of anaesthesia at Harvard Medical School and Brigham and Women’s Hospital. His laboratory develops bio-inspired medical technologies, including tissue adhesives, targeted therapies and medical devices. He has co-founded numerous biotechnology companies and is the author of LIT: Life Ignition Tools, which draws on the strategies he developed while growing up with ADHD and learning differences.
https://www.jeffkarp.com/

About Bountifull Podcast
The Bountifull Podcast explores what it means to live a bountiful life through honest conversations with fascinating people from around the world.
Hosted by Sian Simpson, each episode brings together stories, ideas and experiences from science, psychology, relationships, creativity, culture, work and everyday life. From wellbeing and personal growth to resilience, connection, purpose and joy, Bountifull offers practical insight and fresh perspectives to help you build a richer, more meaningful life.
New episodes weekly.
https://www.bountifullworld.com/

In this episode, I’m joined by Renée DiResta, Associate Research Professor at Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy and author of Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality, who studies social media, online manipulation, AI, misinformation, and how messages move across the internet.
This conversation started with a simple question: how do we stay safe online? But it quickly became about something much bigger. How do we protect our attention? How do we know what is real? How do we keep our values intact in online spaces that are often designed to make us reactive, anxious, outraged, or hooked?
Renée explains how social media platforms are not neutral. They are built around growth, engagement, data, advertising, and keeping us there. Every scroll, pause, like, and click teaches the system more about us, which means the content we see is not random. It is selected, tested, and pushed towards us because the platform thinks it might hold our attention.
We talk about AI slop, scams, fake images, old videos being recirculated as new, online manipulation, audience capture, online conflict, and why it is becoming harder to tell the difference between what is real, what is fake, and what is technically real but being used in a misleading way.
One of the biggest ideas from this conversation is that discernment is now a practice. It is not just about fact-checking something after the fact. It is about noticing when something is trying to bypass your judgement in the first place.
Renée also shares how she talks to her own children about technology, online safety, chat platforms, privacy, and the importance of keeping communication open when something goes wrong.
This is a conversation about the internet, but really it is about agency. About slowing down, paying attention, and remembering that a bountiful life is one where your time, your attention, and your choices still belong to you.

Episode Highlights
How Renée came to study social media, misinformation and online manipulation
What platforms and algorithms are designed to do with our attention
Why AI is making scams, fake content and deception harder to spot
How to tell the difference between what is real, true and misleading
Why discernment is now an essential life skill
How the internet can make us more reactive, performative and disconnected from our values
What audience capture means for creators and online behaviour
How to talk to children about privacy, trust and online safety
Why a healthier relationship with technology begins with awareness, not fear

Timestamps
00:00 Why the internet makes everything feel urgent
01:35 Renée’s path into studying social media and misinformation
09:18 What platforms and algorithms are really designed to do
18:10 Online communities, loneliness and rabbit holes
19:45 AI scams, fake content and online deception
26:51 Discernment, truth and learning to pause before reacting
31:08 Online manipulation and how new technology gets exploited
40:12 Audience capture and staying authentic online
47:53 Online behaviour, values and taking back your attention
55:33 Kids, online safety and open conversations about technology
01:00:18 AI chatbots, companionship and emotional risk
01:04:23 What it means to Renée to live a bountiful life

Guest Bio
Renée DiResta is an Associate Research Professor at Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy and the author of Invisible Rulers: The People Who Turn Lies into Reality. Her work focuses on adversarial abuse online, including social media manipulation, misinformation, scams, AI-generated content, influence operations and child safety. Before joining Georgetown, she was the research director at the Stanford Internet Observatory, where she studied the abuse of online platforms and how digital systems shape public conversation.

Bountifull Podcast 
Bountifull is a podcast exploring joy, wellbeing, creativity, connection and what it means to live a more meaningful life.

In this episode, I’m joined by Marley Rose Harris, founder of the Higher Self app and creator of the Clear the Fear method.
I wanted to speak to Marley because I was interested in how she works with fear. Where it starts, how it gets stored, and why it can keep showing up in decisions around money, love, work, safety and self-worth.
Marley’s life changed after losing her dad to suicide. That loss sent her into a lot of grief, but also into trying to understand what actually helps people heal. Over time, that became the work she now does with limiting beliefs, subconscious patterns and the stories people keep living from, often without realising it.
We talk about Clear the Fear, self-trust, emotional safety, family, money, and the strange ways fear can keep us attached to lives we say we do not want. Marley also walks me through one of my own money ceilings in real time, which was slightly confronting, but probably useful.
This is a conversation about fear, but really it is about what sits underneath it.

Episode Highlights
Marley’s work with the Clear the Fear method
How fear can show up in money, love, work, safety and self-worth
Losing her dad to suicide and how grief changed the direction of her life
Why Marley became interested in limiting beliefs and subconscious patterns
The stories we carry without realising they are shaping our lives
Why fear often comes back to a lack of safety
Building self-trust and learning to feel safe within yourself
What happens when you stop running from a feeling and actually let yourself feel it
How old beliefs can create ceilings around what we allow ourselves to receive
Marley walking me through one of my own money ceilings in real time
The link between pain, pleasure and the choices we keep making
Why family, friendship and feeling at home matter more than Marley once realised

Chapters
00:00 Marley on money, family and what really matters00:48 Meet Marley Rose Harris03:12 Marley’s story and choosing a different path06:58 Losing her dad and beginning to heal12:38 Scarcity, abundance and changing old beliefs15:03 Why fear often comes back to safety20:43 Self-trust and creating safety within yourself31:04 How Clear the Fear works41:03 The stories we carry without realising it54:08 Pain, pleasure, money and what we move towards

Guest Bio
Marley Rose Harris is the CEO and founder of Higher Self and creator of the Clear the Fear method. Her work focuses on subconscious reprogramming, limiting beliefs, fear, self-worth, money, relationships and the patterns that keep people stuck. Through the Higher Self app, Marley offers tools including hypnosis, meditations, affirmations, NLP, Clear the Fear and Neuro-Linking, designed to help people work with the beliefs and fears underneath the surface. She also works with clients through mentorship, combining subconscious reprogramming, emotional clearing and coaching. In this episode, Marley shares how grief, healing and her own experience of rebuilding her life shaped the work she does today.
https://www.marleyrose.ca/

About Bountifull
Bountifull is a wellbeing and personal growth podcast exploring what it means to live a bountiful life through stories of joy, resilience, creativity and connection.
Each episode features interesting people from diverse backgrounds sharing ideas, experiences and practical wisdom for living with more meaning, courage and joy.
https://www.bountifullworld.com/