The AI Workflow That Lets 50 People Do the Work of 500 ($2B Founder Reveals)
Steal These Workflows: 7 AI tools to build your startup in days, not months: https://clickhubspot.com/ehg
Ep. 383
Can 50 people really do the work of 500 in the new AI era?
Kipp, Kieran and guests Grant Lee, co-founder and CEO of Gamma, and Kristin Fracchia, who leads Marketing at Gamma, dive into the revolutionary AI workflows and org design lessons powering Gamma’s $2B company—plus how any team can scale smarter with fewer resources. Learn more on building lean, high-growth teams with generalists over specialists, scaling creative and professional workflows with AI, bridging the gap between AI-first startups and Main Street businesses, and the hacks and use cases driving productivity for millions. Recorded live at GROW Europe.
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Gamma https://gamma.app/
Grant Lee https://www.linkedin.com/in/grantslee
Kristin Fracchia https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristinfracchia
Zapier https://zapier.com/
Make https://www.make.com/en
N8N https://n8n.io/
Clay https://www.clay.com/
Granola https://www.granola.ai/
Wispr https://wisprflow.ai/
Kimi K2 https://www.kimi.com/
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The AI That Builds Apps for You (Claude Opus 4.5 Explained)
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Ep. 382
The Opus 4.5 model is “mind blowing”.
Kieran dives into how the latest advances in AI are transforming the marketing playbook, showing you real-world use cases you can implement today. Learn more on using Claude Opus 4.5 to create interactive customer personas, building dynamic dashboards to analyze campaign performance (and make smarter budget decisions), and remixing content into multiple formats with powerful new AI tools.
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Opus 4.5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-5
Gemini 3 https://aistudio.google.com/models/gemini-3
Veo 3.1 https://aistudio.google.com/models/veo-3
Sora https://openai.com/sora/
Nano Banana Pro https://deepmind.google/models/gemini-image/pro/
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This New Google AI Feature Replaces 10 Hours of Work
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Ep. 381
Google’s new Nano Banana Pro feature inside NotebookLM can complete tasks that would “have taken a human hours to do”.
Kipp dives into how game-changing AI features are transforming content creation. Learn more about generating custom infographics and slide decks at lightning speed, building multimedia content for every marketing channel, and personalizing knowledge sharing for teams using Google’s latest AI tools.
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Nano Banana Pro https://blog.google/technology/ai/nano-banana-pro/
NotebookLM https://notebooklm.google/
Greg Isenberg https://www.gregisenberg.com/
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Why We’re Leaving ChatGPT for Google’s Gemini 3
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Ep. 380
Is Gemini 3 better than GPT-5?
Kipp and Kieran dive into the seismic release of Gemini 3 and what it means for the future of marketing, search, and AI-driven business tools. Learn more on how Gemini’s state-of-the-art multimodal reasoning unlocks custom interactive apps in search, why dynamic AI-generated UIs signal the end of the blue links era, and how marketers can leverage Gemini to automate research, customer insights, and content more effortlessly than ever before.
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Gemini 3 https://gemini.google.com/
ChatGPT 5 https://chat.chatbot.app/gpt5
Claude https://claude.ai/
Replit https://replit.com/
Lovable https://lovable.dev/
Fiverr https://www.fiverr.com/
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AI Just Broke Marketing (And What You Need to Do Now)
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Ep. 379
Did you know that more than 74% of the new web pages online today contain some form of AI-generated content?
Recording from GROW Europe, Kipp and Kieran dive into how AI is fundamentally disrupting marketing, shifting it from the era of volume to the era of value. Learn more on why trust is moving from brands to individuals and creators, the seismic changes in search and the rise of AI-first answer engines, and how granular data and AI-powered personalization are reshaping paid advertising and email prospecting.
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GROW Europe https://www.hubspot.com/grow-2025
Perplexity https://www.perplexity.ai/
Claude https://claude.ai/
Reddit https://www.reddit.com/
My First Million https://www.mfmpod.com/
XFunnel https://www.xfunnel.ai/
VO3 https://www.vo3ai.com/
Sora 2 https://openai.com/index/sora-2/
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‘Marketing Against The Grain’ is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by Hubspot Media // Produced by Darren Clarke.
Kipp Bodnar (HubSpot’s CMO) and Kieran Flanagan (Hubspot's SVP of Marketing), lead you down the rabbit hole of marketing trends, growth tactics and innovation. On the way you’ll pick up undiscovered strategies to give you that slight edge for success. These are not your typical twitter thread regurgitated marketing tactics that everyone is doing. These are new methods, with unfiltered examination of successful fresh ideas.