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Tjasa Zajc
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  • Faces of Digital Health

    Data challenges with AI: Omissions, bloated problem lists and unnecessary token burn

    22/07/2026 | 39 mins.
    Hallucination is not the biggest risk in clinical AI. Omission is — and it is far harder to detect.

    John Laursen, SVP at IMO Health, has spent his career on the layer of healthcare AI that gets the least attention: clinical terminology and the semantic data infrastructure underneath every model deployed in a hospital. IMO Health's terminology has been built and curated since 1994 and now sits behind roughly 12 billion terminology search transactions a year across US provider organisations and every major EHR.

    In this interview with Tjaša Zajc, Laursen makes the case that structured data was necessary but is no longer sufficient. AI reasoning across a thirty-year patient chart needs semantic continuity — an understanding that clinical language recorded in the 1990s and language recorded today can mean the same thing. Without it, health systems are investing in models that cannot reliably interpret their own records.

    The conversation also covers what happens when ambient AI scribes get it wrong, why accumulated clinical data has become a computational cost rather than an asset, and why clinician trust is the constraint that determines how fast clinical AI can move.

    Guest:

    John Laursen — Senior Vice President, IMO Health (Chicago, US)

    Host:

    Tjaša Zajc — Faces of Digital Health

    What the conversation covers:

    - Why omissions, not hallucinations, are the underrated risk in clinical AI

    - What a semantic layer does that structured data alone cannot

    - How clinical terminology maps to SNOMED CT and ICD-10 — and why those code sets were built for different purposes

    - Ambient AI scribes: what happens when a model mishears or over-infers a diagnosis

    - The billing and clinical consequences of an error entering the patient record

    - Why problem lists hundreds of entries long now cost money in token burn

    - Patient-generated and AI-generated content entering the EHR, and why health systems resist it

    - Translating lay language into clinical terminology without losing specificity

    - Ambient documentation, billing intensity and friction with payers

    - How data quality expectations differ between the US, the NHS, the Gulf states and Singapore

    - Who governs clinical data as coding complexity increases

    - Why AI performance breaks down on rare disease and the difficult 20% of cases

    - Knowledge graphs as a grounding source for clinical AI models

    - What health systems should require from AI vendors before clinical deployment

    Chapters:

    02:20 Why the data layer decides what clinical AI can do

    03:27 Inside IMO Health: 12 billion terminology searches a year

    05:36 Keeping terminology current: SNOMED, ICD-10 and clinical governance

    07:35 The semantic bridge: why structured data alone is not enough

    10:17 Patient language versus clinical language in the record

    12:23 When an ambient scribe mishears: clinical and billing consequences

    14:53 Omissions, bloated problem lists and unnecessary token burn

    19:12 Outside the US: the NHS, the Gulf, Singapore and coding complexity

    20:46 Who governs clinical data as complexity increases

    23:35 Patient-side AI recorders and resistance to external data

    26:08 Ambient documentation, billing intensity and payer friction

    29:21 The last 20%: rare disease, model limits and AI governance

    33:38 Grounding, clinician trust and the cost of misfiring

    Faces of Digital Health:

    Website: https://www.facesofdigitalhealth.com

    Newsletter: https://fodh.substack.com

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4cElKJHrauyP6QJQaCkvdY

    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/faces-of-digital-health/id1194284040

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/faces-of-digital-health

    #digitalhealth #healthcareAI #clinicalinformatics #EHR #ambientAI #interoperability #healthdata #SNOMED #healthIT #medicalcoding
  • Faces of Digital Health

    Who Fills The Gap After OpenEvidence Left Europe (Philippe Habets, EvidenceHunt)

    17/07/2026 | 43 mins.
    OpenEvidence didn't leave Europe because of regulation alone — its ad-and-data business model never fit the European market.

    When OpenEvidence, the $12B clinical AI search platform used daily by over 40% of US physicians, withdrew from the EU and UK in April 2026 citing the EU AI Act, European clinicians lost a tool many had quietly adopted. In this episode, Philippe Habets — physician-scientist and CEO of Amsterdam-based EvidenceHunt — argues the story is as much about business models as regulation: ad-funded clinical search and selling clinician search behaviour to pharma don't transfer to Europe, where clinicians distrust anything that looks commercial.

    We also examine what AI evidence search is measurably doing inside hospitals: more uniform knowledge across teams, fewer junior-to-senior consultations, faster decisions — and the open question of whether that convergence improves care or narrows clinical thinking.

    Guest: Philippe Habets, MD PhD, CEO & co-founder, EvidenceHunt (Amsterdam)

    What the conversation covers:

    - Why OpenEvidence left Europe: EU AI Act vs the ad-based and data-selling business model

    - What hospitals did after OpenEvidence's exit — governance, procurement, shadow AI use

    - How AI literature search changes clinical decision making and medical hierarchies

    - Automation bias, tunnel vision and who is liable when AI is wrong

    - Guardrails in practice: PII stripping, refusing clinical advice, reformulating case questions into research questions

    - Why LLM answers differ between tools — and the omission problem in complex patients

    - Living guidelines: automating systematic literature reviews and guideline updates (some protocols are 17 years old)

    - Should patients have access to the same evidence tools as clinicians?

    - EvidenceHunt vs OpenEvidence: data sources, GDPR, medical device regulation

    - What won't change in healthcare AI in the next three years

    Previous episode with Philippe Habets (2023): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8tC0B4NvpM

    CHAPTERS

    00:00 Introduction

    03:11 OpenEvidence leaves Europe: what it meant for a European competitor

    04:31 No user spike — but hospitals started asking questions

    06:54 What EvidenceHunt is: from PubMed frustration to systematic reviews

    11:35 How clinicians actually adopt AI evidence tools

    13:46 Uniform knowledge, fewer senior consultations: measured effects on clinical thinking

    16:24 Tunnel vision, automation bias and the liability question

    18:04 Guardrails in practice: PII stripping and refusing clinical advice

    20:31 The omission problem: evidence is group statistics, patients are N of 1

    23:26 The real reason OpenEvidence left: ads, data-selling and European distrust

    29:03 Should patients have the same evidence tools as clinicians?

    31:51 Why disclaimers aren't enough — safeguards must be enforced in the product

    33:43 Living guidelines: automating updates for protocols up to 17 years old

    40:00 The biggest product challenge: too many features, one clean interface

    41:40 What won't change in healthcare AI in the next three years

    FACES OF DIGITAL HEALTH

    Website: https://www.facesofdigitalhealth.com

    Newsletter: https://fodh.substack.com

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/faces-of-digital-health

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4cElKJHrauyP6QJQaCkvdY

    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/faces-of-digital-health/id1194284040

    #digitalhealth #healthcareAI #OpenEvidence #EUAIAct #clinicaldecisionsupport #evidencebasedmedicine #healthtech
  • Faces of Digital Health

    The AI Model Race Is Over. The Data Race in Healthcare Is Just Starting (Robert Tovornik, Better)

    14/07/2026 | 34 mins.
    AI models are "eager to please" — and in healthcare, that's a liability. So what should LLMs never be allowed to do in clinical software?

    Three years after GPT-3 reached the public, frontier models have largely converged in capability. In this episode, Robert Tovornik, Innovation Lead at Better — the healthcare IT company building on openEHR — explains why the real differentiator in healthcare AI is no longer the model but the data layer underneath it. He makes the case for keeping clinical coding and terminology in deterministic systems, confining LLMs to retrieval and orchestration, and validating AI the way you'd come to trust a colleague: through experience, not certification.

    Guest: Robert Tovornik, Innovation Lead, Better

    What the conversation covers:

    - Why frontier LLMs are converging — and why context now matters more than model capability

    - What AI should never do in clinical software: inference vs retrieval

    - Why ICD-10 and SNOMED coding should stay in deterministic systems, not ChatGPT

    - How to validate non-deterministic AI systems when unit tests no longer work

    - Automation bias: what happens when users stop checking AI outputs

    - Conversational EHRs — solving the "missing button" problem in clinical interfaces

    - Vibe coding vs regulated clinical software: why one iterates in hours and the other in years

    - An ambient AI scribe built in two weeks — deployed in India, stalled in Europe

    - EU AI Act, data residency laws, and the cost of compliance

    - Digital twins, ambient AI, and what hospitals should invest in before deploying AI

    Faces of Digital Health explores how healthcare systems around the world adopt digital technologies and AI.

    🔗 Website: https://www.facesofdigitalhealth.com

    🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4cElKJHrauyP6QJQaCkvdY

    🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/faces-of-digital-health/id1194284040

    📰 Newsletter: https://fodh.substack.com

    💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/faces-of-digital-health

    #healthcareAI #openEHR #digitalhealth #healthIT #EHR #clinicalAI #healthcareinnovation

    02:20 Three years of GPT: from model capability back to data and context

    04:26 How AI changed software development inside an openEHR vendor

    06:13 Clients now arrive with AI-informed (and misinformed) requirements

    09:05 Why clinical coding belongs in deterministic systems, not ChatGPT

    11:27 "Eager to please": why LLMs shouldn't be trusted with inference

    14:03 Validating non-deterministic AI when unit tests no longer work

    16:50 How do you trust AI? The same way you trust a colleague

    18:03 Regulation, compliance costs, and the automation bias problem

    20:09 Conversational EHRs and the missing-button problem

    23:02 Vibe coding vs iterating regulated clinical software

    25:23 Users are building AI experience faster than health systems

    27:50 An ambient scribe built in two weeks — adopted in India, stalled in Europe

    29:16 Data quality as the differentiator between good and bad AI systems

    31:10 Ambient AI, operation prep, and the digital twin horizon
  • Faces of Digital Health

    Agentic Patient 7: How to Use AI as a Caregiver — Without Letting It Diagnose | Pratik Desai

    19/06/2026 | 46 mins.
    AI couldn't cure his mother's stage 4 cancer. It caught three near-fatal errors, found a same-day appointment, and helped her leave on her own terms.

    When Pratik Desai's mother was diagnosed with stage four duodenal adenocarcinoma — a rare cancer with roughly 3,000 US cases a year — she was nearly discharged without an oncology appointment. Over the next 76 days, Desai used AI at her bedside, from 5am to 10pm, to understand each report, prepare for every appointment, and push a stretched health system to move at the pace her diagnosis demanded. This is a frank account of where AI helped, where it didn't, and the line he refuses to cross.

    This is a 1:1 interview in The Agentic Patient — a Faces of Digital Health series on how patients and caregivers actually use AI: which tools, which prompts, and which guardrails.

    GUEST

    Pratik Desai — New Jersey-based AI practitioner; caregiver and builder of a free, local AI tool for patients

    HOST

    Tjaša Zajc — Founder & host, Faces of Digital Health / The Agentic Patient

    WHAT THE CONVERSATION COVERS

    - Using AI to interpret a biopsy report and push for a same-day "stat" CT scan

    - Why AI and the doctors agreed on the care — and clashed on the speed

    - Finding a same-day oncology appointment through an AI-assisted network search

    - An error-riddled CT report the AI refused to read — and what it did to trust

    - Running three Claude "personas" as built-in second and third opinions

    - A local, open-source AI tool that keeps medical data off the cloud

    - How to prompt as a patient or caregiver: awareness, knowledge, advocacy — not diagnosis

    - Where AI failed him: prognosis, and the rule he broke under pressure

    - Defining quality of life when the outcome is already known

    CHAPTERS

    0:00 How patients use AI — and the guardrails

    1:20 Day one: a healthy mother, a diagnosis no one would name

    3:34 The first prompt, and pushing for a stat CT scan

    7:43 Using AI in the open: agreement on care, friction on speed

    9:35 The counterfactual: 76 days with AI at the bedside

    12:40 Finding a same-day appointment through a network search

    13:40 The CT report the AI refused to read

    15:50 When trust erodes: good faith, not competence

    18:41 Why switching hospitals wasn't an option

    21:54 Defining quality of life: her three goals

    28:27 Three Claude personas, and a local private tool

    35:12 How to prompt: awareness, knowledge, advocacy — not diagnosis

    37:54 Where AI fell short, and the closing asks

    THE AGENTIC PATIENT SERIES

    New to the series? Start here → [PASTE PREVIOUS AGENTIC PATIENT EPISODE LINK]

    All episodes → https://www.facesofdigitalhealth.com/agentic-patient-blog

    MORE FROM FACES OF DIGITAL HEALTH

    🌐 Website: https://www.facesofdigitalhealth.com

    📨 Newsletter: https://fodh.substack.com

    🎙 Podcast (Apple): https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/faces-of-digital-health/id1194284040

    💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/faces-of-digital-health

    Pratik's tool Regana: https://github.com/RaganaCorp/openhealth-prototype-1

    #DigitalHealth #HealthAI #AgenticPatient #PatientAdvocacy #AIinHealthcare #CancerCare #Caregiving #FacesOfDigitalHealth
  • Faces of Digital Health

    We're Overestimating Medical AI — and Underestimating the Harm (Jessica Morley, Yale)

    09/06/2026 | 58 mins.
    AI ethicist Jess Morley: these chatbots are giving medical advice — so regulate them as medical devices.

    Part of The Agentic Patient, a Faces of Digital Health series on how patients actually use AI — which tools, which prompts, which safeguards. In this episode, host Tjaša Zajc sits down with Dr Jess Morley, Associate Research Scientist at the Yale Digital Ethics Center and a former AI subject-matter expert at the UK Department of Health and Social Care, for a clear-eyed account of where health AI is going wrong — and how to use it well anyway.

    Morley argues we systematically overestimate what these tools can do and underestimate the harm. She makes the case for "skeptical optimism," explains why bioethics principles built for one-to-one care break down against many-to-many AI harms, and reframes ambient scribes as inference engines rather than transcription services — with real consequences for coding, billing and patient records. Then she gets practical: the guardrails, prompts and habits patients (and clinicians) can use today.

    Guest: Dr Jessica Morley — Associate Research Scientist, Yale Digital Ethics Center; formerly UK Department of Health and Social Care and the Bennett Institute, University of Oxford.

    What the conversation covers:
    - Why "skeptically optimistic" is the honest position on health AI
    - AI adoption as "a hammer looking for nails" — and what needs-led design would look like instead
    - OpenEvidence, EU rules and the question of regulatory capture
    - The DeepMind–Royal Free case and why law alone isn't enough
    - Beneficence, non-maleficence, autonomy, justice — and where they fail for AI
    - Ambient AI scribes, miscoding, billing inflation and phantom tests
    - Paid vs free models and the widening access gap
    - The "ask why" rule and knowing when to walk away from a chatbot
    - Red-teaming your own assumptions and playing models off each other
    - Building a personal "harness" with skills so AI works from your history
    - The last-mile problem and the case for regulating LLMs as medical devices
    - Whether AI is narrowing how clinicians think

    Chapters:

    02:50 — Intro: The Agentic Patient and the case for skeptical optimism
    05:52 — "A hammer looking for nails": adoption pressure without a plan
    07:25 — OpenEvidence, EU rules and regulatory capture
    09:42 — The DeepMind–Royal Free lesson: why law needs ethics
    13:29 — The bioethics principles and what they were built to do
    19:40 — Autonomy, consent and the ambient-scribe problem
    21:49 — Scribes as inference engines: miscoding, fraud and phantom tests
    29:06 — Paid vs free models and the access gap
    33:25 — Using AI safely: the "ask why" rule
    37:38 — Knowing when to walk away: engagement design and degradation
    44:58 — Red-teaming and playing models off each other
    49:00 — Harnesses and skills: making the model work for you
    51:38 — The last-mile problem and regulating AI as a medical device
    58:00 — Does AI narrow the clinician's mind?

    The Agentic Patient series: https://www.facesofdigitalhealth.com/agentic-patient-blog
    Website: https://www.facesofdigitalhealth.com
    Newsletter: https://fodh.substack.com
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/faces-of-digital-health
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About Faces of Digital Health
Faces of Digital Health is a healthcare podcast about digital health technology, solutions, and innovations in practice, presented through real healthcare systems and the people behind them. The show looks into how different countries adopt digital health, what barriers they face, and why similar approaches succeed in some places but not others.Episodes feature clinicians, patients, entrepreneurs, and health system leaders sharing their practical experience. The focus is on digital health trends, practical digital health, and actionable insights for anyone curious about how digital health works in practice.
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