The Evolving Wellness Podcast with Sarah Kleiner Wellness

Host Sarah Kleiner welcomes practitioner Grant Fowler to discuss navigating confusing and polarizing health information, emphasizing clinician-to-clinician “what works” insights alongside research. They argue health interventions have second- and third-order effects, using gut microbiome health as an example for improving responses to therapies such as cancer immunotherapy, and caution against “one thing fixes all” thinking across wellness, medicine, and spiritual frameworks. Fowler describes his non-linear path into health, his trial-and-error approach to addressing connective-tissue-related issues, and the importance of stacking lifestyle foundations (light, food, environment) to reduce system load so therapies can work. They critique strict evidence hierarchies, note “real world evidence,” and outline a symptom-guided approach to gut issues, highlighting specific probiotics (including spore-based strains and BB-536), lactoferrin, targeted fibers, dosing/timing considerations, and the gut’s role in nutrient absorption and filtering toxins.

Connect withj Grant - https://www.instagram.com/fowler_fitness_spt/ 
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00:00 First Order vs Systems
01:02 Why Clinicians Matter
02:19 Podcast Intro and Disclaimers
03:32 Grant’s Health Origin Story
08:13 Genetics Epigenetics and EDS
12:53 Peptides and Bio Regulators
15:13 Real World Evidence Debate
22:30 Insurance and Chronic Illness
27:31 Integrative Medicine Middle Path
30:40 Continuum of Therapies
35:38 Modern Life Balance and Microbes
42:16 Online Health Info Spirals
43:16 Spiritual Bypassing Trap
45:13 Bad Logic in Wellness
46:45 Sunlight Protocol Reality Check
48:32 Stockdale Paradox Mindset
51:26 Synergy Over Monotherapy
55:58 Fixing the Gut Basics
56:23 Microbiome Testing Limits
59:14 Targeted Gut Supplements
01:01:51 Spore Probiotics Strategy
01:13:43 Timing and Megadosing
01:18:42 Where to Follow Grant
01:22:12 Closing Thoughts
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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
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Sarah hosts Drew from Organify on the Evolving Wellness Podcast to discuss why she changed her mind about collagen, including its effects on joint pain, hair/skin/nails, fascia and matrix integrity, and how glycine (including 3 grams before bed) may support restorative sleep and nighttime repair. They explore deuterium, why lower levels are linked in research to outcomes like reduced inflammation and cancer risk and improved fertility, and how lifestyle factors and the body’s metabolic water matter more than simple intake; Sarah shares her and her husband’s low deuterium test results while using collagen. Sarah also describes daily hydrogen inhalation and its impact on her daughter’s autoimmune encephalitis symptoms, and they discuss hydrogen’s role in antioxidant support and deuterium depletion. The episode emphasizes supplement quality/testing, discusses other Organify products, and offers a limited-time discount code.

About Organifi
Organifi is dedicated to making healthy living simple, accessible, and enjoyable through high-quality, organic superfood blends. Founded by Drew Canole, the company was created to help people transform their health without complicated routines or overwhelming nutrition plans. Organifi’s mission is to provide convenient, nutrient-dense products made with carefully sourced ingredients that support energy, detoxification, stress balance, and overall vitality. By combining science-backed formulations with whole-food ingredients, Organifi aims to empower people to take control of their wellness—one simple daily habit at a time.

Connect withj Drew - https://www.organifishop.com/pages/drew/
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00:00 Glycine Sleep Hack
00:30 Episode Intro And Deuterium
02:54 Meet Drew And Organify
04:25 Why Sarah Reconsidered Collagen
09:04 Deuterium Levels Explained
12:17 Collagen Fascia And Joints
13:45 Clean Collagen Sourcing
21:07 Hydrogen Therapy Breakthrough
23:47 Travel EMF And Hydrogen Tips
26:44 Energy Fields And Signaling
29:39 Telepathic Kids Community
30:49 Growing Up Then vs Now
31:19 Allergies and Healing Wins
32:23 Doctor Fear and DIY Health
35:15 Building a Health Advisory Board
35:58 Collagen Science and Results
39:14 Bone Broth and Guarantees
40:28 Shilajit Gummies for Minerals
42:25 Saffron Happy Drops Mood
44:32 Colostrum for Immunity and Hair
46:32 Organify Product Rundown
51:09 Discount Code and Wrap Up

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
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Timestamps:

00:00 Buzzword Confusion
02:05 Meet Irene Lyon

03:33 Credentials and Training

08:47 Social Media Misinformation

10:46 Polyvagal Theory Backlash

14:35 Influencers and Bad Science

21:12 AI Content and DIY Risks

24:56 What Regulation Really Means

26:22 Voo Sound Misuse

33:53 Baseline and Early Development

36:35 Midlife Stress Surfacing

37:31 Trauma Gets Stuck

39:09 ACE Study Body Breakdown

40:31 Survival Mode Collapse

42:47 Online Misinformation Risks

44:24 No Quick Fixes

46:21 Dangerous Stimulation Stories

49:48 Lifestyle Change Takes Time

51:22 Regulation Through Loss

52:22 Birth and Body Capacity

55:16 Parents and Co Regulation
56:36 Program Evidence Updates

58:59 Learn at Your Pace

01:02:16 Success Stories Closing

This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!

________________________________________Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/all-free-resources
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Sarah Kleiner and Steve Wright break down why high-protein diets can cause digestive issues when your gut isn’t ready. They explain how low stomach acid impacts protein digestion, nutrient absorption, and overall gut health. Learn the common signs of low stomach acid like bloating, heaviness, and trouble digesting meat. They also discuss HCL and digestive enzymes as tools to support better digestion and smoother diet transitions

Other Episodes with Steve - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBszj9nzso6jOadgcYpqIPbRYvERYK4q0

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→ Organifi | For an exclusive offer, go to https://www.organifi.com/SARAHK for 20% off your order.

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→ Troscriptions | For an exclusive offer, go to https://www.troscriptions.com/SARAHK for 10% off your first non subscription order.
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00:00 Protein Craze Pitfalls
00:54 Diet Changes and Gut Basics
02:40 Show Intro and Disclaimers
03:53 Steve Returns to Talk Digestion
07:10 Why the Stomach Matters
11:04 Nutrients Need Stomach Acid
16:27 Low Acid Signs and Reflux
21:57 HCL Challenge How To
31:02 Seed Oils and Flexibility
31:26 Stop Blaming the Food
32:13 Blue Blockers Reality Check
33:49 Restrictive Diet Fallout
34:52 Carbs Comeback and Enzymes
38:13 How Enzymes Prevent Overgrowth
44:33 Dosing and Systemic Benefits
54:27 Choosing Enzymes and Wrap Up

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
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Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!
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Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health & experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses

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Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

In this episode of the Evolving Wellness Podcast, host Sarah Kleiner welcomes back Dr. Scott to discuss the 'sympathetic spiral of doom' and how modern lifestyles contribute to chronic stress and energy depletion. Dr. Scott shares insights into how overstimulation, poor diet, and interrupted sleep cycles can lead to nervous system dysregulation and mitochondrial dysfunction. The conversation covers the importance of circadian rhythm, hydration, and low-hanging fruit lifestyle changes to support overall wellbeing. They also explore the potential benefits of methylene blue, red light therapy, and other practical tools for regaining optimal health. Tune in to learn more about foundational steps to improve energy levels and break free from chronic stress.

About Dr. Scott
Dr. Scott Sherr is a Board-Certified Internal Medicine Physician Certified to Practice Health Optimization Medicine (HOMe), a specialist in Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT), and COO of Troscriptions (a Smarter Not Harder company). His clinical telepractice includes HOMe as its foundation alongside an integrative approach to HBOT that includes cutting edge and dynamic HBOT protocols, comprehensive testing (using the HOMe framework), targeted supplementation, personal practices, synergistic technologies (new, ancient, psychedelic), and more

Connect with Dr. Scott - https://www.linkedin.com/in/drsherr/ 
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→ VivaRays | This episode is sponsored by VivaRays - VivaRays Blue - code YOGI https://vivarays.com/ 

→ Organifi | For an exclusive offer, go to https://www.organifi.com/SARAHK for 20% off your order.
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00:00 Introduction and Personal Experience with Coffee
00:51 Welcome to the Evolving Wellness Podcast
03:37 Understanding the Sympathetic Spiral of Doom
06:29 The Role of the Nervous System and Mitochondria
10:53 Practical Tips for Nervous System Regulation
16:53 The Importance of Circadian Rhythm and Light Exposure
25:31 Supporting Mitochondrial Health and Energy Production
36:17 The State of Metabolic Health in the US
36:55 Improving Mitochondrial Function
37:27 Addressing Trauma and Sympathetic Overdrive
38:31 The Importance of a Supportive Environment
40:38 Sleep and Its Impact on Health
44:35 The Role of Blue Blockers and Sleep Aids
48:21 Caffeine and Its Effects on the Body
50:46 The Benefits of Exogenous Ketones
58:56 Navigating the Sympathetic Spiral of Doom
01:05:14 Final Thoughts and Resources

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This video is not medical advice & as a supporter to you and your health journey - I encourage you to monitor your labs and work with a professional!
________________________________________
Get all my free guides and product recommendations to get started on your journey!
https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/all-free-resources

Check out all my courses to understand how to improve your mitochondrial health & experience long lasting health! (Use code PODCAST to save 10%) -  https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/courses

My free product guide with all product recommendations and discount codes:
https://www.canva.com/design/DAF7mlgZpJI/xVyE4tiQFEWJmh_Xwx8Kbw/view?utm_content=DAF7mlgZpJI

Free Webinar on Light & Health (includes free light bulb guide) - https://www.sarahkleinerwellness.com/mycircadianapp-free-webinar

Get Early Access to Podcast Episodes & my Seasonal Food Course + UVB+Red Light Therapy course for free -  https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahkleinerwellness/p/uvbred-light-protocol?r=5eztl9&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true