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Understanding Disordered Eating: Eating Disorder Recovery and Body Image Healing

Rachelle Heinemann
Understanding Disordered Eating: Eating Disorder Recovery and Body Image Healing
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  • From the Vault: Examining the Harmful Implications of the AAP's Guidelines on Weight Loss Medication and Surgery for Children with Jessica Setnick, MS, RD, CEDRD-S [Episode 72]
    We’re continuing our summer throwback series with a powerful episode that’s simply too important to leave behind. While we’re taking a short break this summer, we’ll be resurfacing some of our most impactful conversations — the ones that made us think, challenged the status quo, and sparked meaningful dialogue. Today’s rerun is one of those episodes. Originally aired as Episode 72, this conversation with Jessica Setnick dives headfirst into the controversial 2023 guidelines issued by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). These guidelines made headlines — and not in a good way. Recommending behavioral interventions and even weight loss medications and surgery for children as young as 2, 12, and 13, respectively, the AAP ignited a firestorm of concern within the eating disorder treatment community. Jessica, a fierce advocate and long-time voice in the eating disorder field, joins me to unpack what these guidelines really say, why they’re so troubling, and how they reflect a deeper cultural problem rooted in weight stigma. We question authority, untangle complex motivations (hello, pharma profits), and explore what weight-inclusive, ethical pediatric care should actually look like. In this episode, we’re talking about: Why the AAP’s new guidelines on pediatric weight management are sparking outrage in the eating disorder community. The alarming recommendations to introduce weight loss medications by age 12 and surgery by 13. The pervasive weight stigma built into these guidelines, including the problematic use of BMI as a screening tool. How profit motives, particularly from big pharma, may be influencing the creation of these “medical” guidelines. The real consequences of these interventions: malnutrition, stunted growth, cognitive impacts, and the risk of lifelong eating disorders. The false logic that shrinking a child's body will reduce weight stigma and why that belief is not just wrong, but dangerous. The importance of separating weight from health, and why any medical concerns should be treated based on symptoms, not size. How weight changes can be relevant when viewed contextually, but should never be the sole focus of medical intervention. Why trusting your gut and challenging medical advice is not only okay, but it might be necessary for protecting your child’s wellbeing. Where to find weight-inclusive providers and what to ask when choosing a new pediatrician. Tweetable Quotes “Anyone who works in the eating disorder field at all – and probably many humans – knows multiple people, if not themselves, who have had failed weight loss interventions when they were children that then resulted in bigger problems.” – Jessica Setnick “The key is not to just single out the big kids. Any kid with an eating disorder should be evaluated. Any kid with a medical condition should be evaluated.” – Jessica Setnick “Shrinking children does not change their medical conditions.” – Jessica Setnick “‘Does my child have a medical condition, or are you saying my child is too big? Because if it’s a medical condition, we’d like to get treatment independent of his size. But if you’re saying his size is a problem, that’s not a conversation I’m willing to have.’” – Jessica Setnick Resources AAP Clinical Practice Guideline for the Evaluation and Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Obesity News release for the AAP new guidelines Understanding Disordered Eating, Ep. 30: Eating Disorders are the Solution Not the Problem with Jessica Setnick, MS, RD, CEDRD-S Jessica on Facebook  Jessica on Instagram  Jessica Setnick: Understanding Nutrition Jessica’s Website Grab my Journal Prompts Here! Looking for a speaker for an upcoming event? Let’s chat! Accepting new clients in July - Find out if we're a good fit!   LEAVE A REVIEW + help someone who may need this podcast by sharing this episode. Be sure to sign up for my weekly newsletter here You can connect with me on Instagram @rachelleheinemann, through my website www.rachelleheinemann.com, or email me directly at [email protected]
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  • From the Vault: Food and Desire with Dr. Judith Brisman [Episode 73]
    We’re kicking off our summer throwback series with an episode that’s just too good not to share again. While we take a little summer break, we’ll be rereleasing some of our most powerful and thought-provoking conversations—and this one tops the list. Originally aired as Episode 73, this conversation with Dr. Judith Brisman is one of those rich, soul-stirring interviews that stay with you long after it ends. Dr. Brisman is an icon in the eating disorder treatment world. With over 35 years in the field and deep roots in psychoanalytic thought, she brings both clinical depth and human compassion to the most complex questions about food, desire, and emotion. In this conversation, we explore why we turn to food to manage our feelings, how disordered eating often becomes the language of our unmet emotional needs, and what happens within family systems when an eating disorder is present. Dr. Brisman helps us understand not just the "what" but the "why" behind it all, offering a compassionate and grounded approach to recovery that emphasizes self-discovery, choice, and relational repair. In this episode, we’re talking about: How Dr. Judith Brisman became a pioneer in the treatment of eating disorders by blending behavioral work with psychoanalysis. How food becomes symbolic for desire and the complex ways we try to manage our wants and needs through eating behaviors. The link between emotional regulation and disordered eating, including compelling patient stories that bring theory to life. The role of family dynamics in shaping (and healing) disordered eating patterns. How feelings like anger, helplessness, and fear often get hidden behind food behaviors—and how therapy can bring these to light. Why recovery is not just about stopping behaviors, but about uncovering the inner voices and desires we’ve been afraid to face. What family-based treatment looks like and how parental roles and patterns can both support and hinder recovery. How to use moments of emotional overwhelm—like the urge to binge or restrict—as doorways into deeper self-understanding. How simple questions like “What do you want to eat?” can begin the process of helping someone find their voice again. Tweetable Quotes “Families all get into patterns, some of which work, some of which don’t work. An eating disorder in the family is an opportunity to say, okay, what might need to be changed right now? What might need to be inspected?” – Dr. Judith Brisman “We don’t just see a parent in their role, and a child in their role; we see everybody in their roles, and how the dynamics come together.” – Rachelle Heinemann “Knowing [your emotions and patterns] allows for choice.” – Dr. Judith Brisman “It’s not so important to identify the cause of the eating disorder… maybe it’s interesting, but that's not going to end all or be the key… It’s more about what’s happening today, the identification, and what choice that provides.” – Rachelle Heinemann Resources Dr. Judith Brisman’s Website Surviving an Eating Disorder: Strategies for Families and Friends Grab my Journal Prompts Here! Looking for a speaker for an upcoming event? Let’s chat! Accepting new clients in July - Find out if we're a good fit!   LEAVE A REVIEW + help someone who may need this podcast by sharing this episode. Be sure to sign up for my weekly newsletter here! You can connect with me on Instagram @rachelleheinemann, through my website www.rachelleheinemann.com, or email me directly at [email protected]
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  • 173. Being Present and Eating Disorders
    Let’s be honest—most of us would love to be the kind of person who “lives in the moment.” You know, one of those magical unicorns who wakes up excited for the day, mindfully savors every bite of their avocado toast, and breathes through stress like it’s non-existent. But instead, we’re over here eating lunch in front of our inbox, wondering why we feel like a disembodied ghost hovering somewhere between a meeting and a meltdown. Tweetable Quotes "I just don't wanna feel like I am dissociating my entire life." - Rachelle Heinemann "Food is inherently soothing, and it works because it's distracting and soothing at the same time." - Rachelle Heinemann "Without practicing in very neutral low-stakes moments, it's gonna be almost impossible for us to notice when we're triggered." - Rachelle Heinemann "We really have to think about all of this in the context of our specific lives and what we need so that we can work toward a version of ourselves that lives in however much of the present moment we actually want to live in." - Rachelle Heinemann Resources Bergen Mental Health Group Inc. is hiring! If you think you’d be a great fit, check it out! Grab my Journal Prompts Here! Looking for a speaker for an upcoming event? Let’s chat! Now accepting new clients! Find out if we're a good fit!    LEAVE A REVIEW + help someone who may need this podcast by sharing this episode. Be sure to sign up for my weekly newsletter here! You can connect with me on Instagram @rachelleheinemann, through my website www.rachelleheinemann.com, or email me directly at [email protected]
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  • 172. Imposter Syndrome and Eating Disorders
    If imposter syndrome were a person, most of us would be in a very toxic, on-again-off-again relationship with it. And just like any clingy ex, it loves to show up at the worst possible time—like, say, the first day of a new job, or every single time we try to feel confident about our bodies. Fun, right? *Quick reminder that next week will be our last episode until September. Stay tuned for the re-release of some oldies but goodies to get you through the summer! Tweetable Quotes “By not talking about it, by not owning it, we sort of imply our own shame.” - Rachelle Heinemann “If we start opening up and at least being open to the fact that other people can help us through some of the imposter syndrome... we at least give ourselves a chance to find some sort of self-acceptance there.” - Rachelle Heinemann “Ultimately, what we're telling ourselves is ‘I can handle a little bit of human vulnerability’, which is the exact opposite of imposter syndrome.” - Rachelle Heinemann “Working through imposter syndrome requires a lot of courage and alot of work.” - Rachelle Heinemann Resources Bergen Mental Health Group Inc. is hiring! If you think you’d be a great fit, check it out! Grab my Journal Prompts Here! Looking for a speaker for an upcoming event? Let’s chat! Now accepting new clients! Find out if we're a good fit!    LEAVE A REVIEW + help someone who may need this podcast by sharing this episode. Be sure to sign up for my weekly newsletter here! You can connect with me on Instagram @rachelleheinemann, through my website www.rachelleheinemann.com, or email me directly at [email protected]
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  • 171. Healing the Hidden Wounds of Disordered Eating with Dr. Katheryn Zerbe
    Today, we’re diving back into the murky waters of secrets with none other than the incredible Dr. Katheryn Zerbe. If you’ve been around the UDE fam for a while, you’ll remember her from our earlier episode on secrets and eating disorders (if not, press pause and go listen to that one first—we’ll wait). This time around, we're exploring what secrets do to our bodies, why we keep them, and how they might just be fueling more than your midnight snack cravings. Kathryn Zerbe, MD, FAED, FABP, is a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, and author of over 150 clinical papers, book chapters, reviews, and 4 books. Her publications include the landmark volumes: The Body Betrayed: Women, Eating Disorders, and Treatment (1993) and Integrated Treatment of Eating Disorders: Beyond the Body Betrayed (2008). Tweetable Quotes "Your secrets tell us who we are, but too many secrets with huge content areas that we keep out." - Dr. Kathryn Zerbe "Eating disorders are often hidden in plain view." - Dr. Kathryn Zerbe "Secrets may be the greatest problem of all. We don't look at the toll they take on the mind or the body." - Dr. Kathryn Zerbe "Secrets also make us very aware of where our boundary lies." - Dr. Kathryn Zerbe “ Transparency and sharing the content of a secret or information that might be private is not the point here. It's not about the content. It's not about people knowing. It's about what happens to you and your internal state and your relationships when the secret happens.” - Rachelle Heinemann "We all need somebody to talk to." - Dr. Kathryn Zerbe Resources Learn More About Dr. Kathryn Zerbe Here! Get access to Dr. Zerbe’s newest book: Secrets in Psychotherapy: Stories that Inform Clinical Work. Use code 25AFLY1 for 20% off!  Bergen Mental Health Group Inc. is hiring! If you think you’d be a great fit, check it out! Grab my Journal Prompts Here  Looking for a speaker for an upcoming event? Let’s chat!  Now accepting new clients! Find out if we're a good fit!    LEAVE A REVIEW + help someone who may need this podcast by sharing this episode. Be sure to sign up for my weekly newsletter here! You can connect with me on Instagram @rachelleheinemann, through my website www.rachelleheinemann.com, or email me directly at [email protected] **We will be taking a summer break at the beginning of June! Stick around for the next few episodes before we're off for a couple months!
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About Understanding Disordered Eating: Eating Disorder Recovery and Body Image Healing

This show will explore the deeper meaning of our relationship with food. We dive into issues related to body image, restriction, bingeing, purging, compulsive exercise, and eating disorder related behaviors. We utilize ideas from psychoanalysis, the deep work therapy, to bring you answers about why you do the things you do and one step closer to a healthier relationship with food and yourself.
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